Coyotes Tempe Entertainment District/Arena photos

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by getbak

Based on the rumour, it sounded like it wasn't Fertitta who was interested because they were talking about a new building.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1466400530528354304

Obviously, that would create a similar problem as Arizona for where they'd play in the meantime as I doubt Fertitta would want to make it easier for someone to build a rival to the Toyota Center.

Who is this guy?

If there was going to be a new arena, you think there would be some local talk about that. There has been nothing. Even if someone plans to do that with private money, you'd expect some chatter.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browna

Not to go too political here, but...

...with some of that PQ money undoubtedly interwoven with the broken system of transfer payments, Albertans will be helping to funding teams in other provinces to get off the ground, while one of our team's squabbles and raises questions about it's viability because of ~$30M for rink over runs?

It would be ridiculous. And while a billion dollars is nothing to sneeze at, does the NHL want a government owned team? I think we know the answer to that.

[The Fisher Account]

I think the NHL would rather have Phoenix play out of a college arena than Quebec City.

And I don't blame them.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

I think the NHL would rather have Phoenix play out of a college arena than Quebec City.

And I don't blame them.

It's not just a college, ASU is a massive corporation and the arena is brand new/state of the art.

Also paves the way for a long term partnership between the team and ASU, ASU also pretty much runs Tempe AZ so it will assist getting votes if needed for the Entertainment district.

It's honestly genius and could be a gift and blessing in disguise that Glendale didn't want to work with the team on a short term lease.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

It's not just a college, ASU is a massive corporation and the arena is brand new/state of the art.

Also paves the way for a long term partnership between the team and ASU, ASU also pretty much runs Tempe AZ so it will assist getting votes if needed for the Entertainment district.

It's honestly genius and could be a gift and blessing in disguise that Glendale didn't want to work with the team on a short term lease.

But for all the jokes about attendance at Coyotes games, they're averaging like 11-12k, no? Can a team survive if they only had 3200-4000k seats per game for what would likely be a few years?

[getbak]

A request has been submitted to the University.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1490377754499600393

The Coyotes are prepared to pay just under $20 million to build NHL dressing rooms and facilities and upgrade the arena for NHL use. If this goes ahead, the Coyotes won't play their first home game next season until December.

• In December 2021, the Arizona Coyotes approached ASU to propose playing their 2023, 2024 and 2025 National Hockey League (NHL) home games at the newly constructed Multipurpose Arena. The Coyotes need this temporary home due to the end of their lease agreement with the City of Glendale and the approximate three-year build time for their proposed new arena in Tempe.
• To accommodate the Coyotes in the Multipurpose Arena, one or more license agreements will be executed. Annual renewals beyond the initial three-year term may be granted by ASU.
• A revision to the original project plan is proposed to accommodate the Coyotes, including the construction of a two-story, approximately 15,000 gross-square-foot annex structure adjacent to the northeastern edge of the Arena. This annex will accommodate NHL-quality home and away team dressing rooms, training areas, equipment rooms, nutrition stations, coaches work room, team storage and a fitness room.
• In addition to the two-story annex building, several facility upgrades are included in the revised project plan to meet NHL requirements. These upgrades will include NHL-quality ice equipment and enhanced broadcasting infrastructure, dasher boards, media and medical services, and analytics and replay capabilities to meet NHL requirements.
• All costs for the annex building and the required facility upgrades will be paid by the Arizona Coyotes. The annex building will remain after the completion of the proposed new Arizona Coyotes arena and will be put to further use by the university.
• The proposed project plan revisions will not delay the November 2022 opening of the Multipurpose Arena for the ASU Sun Devils ice hockey season. The facility is expected to be available in December 2022 to host the first Arizona Coyotes home game of the season.
• This unique opportunity to host an NHL team at the new Multipurpose Arena will cast the ASU Sun Devils Ice Hockey program into the national and global NHL spotlight and enhance the university’s local impact and social embeddedness.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But for all the jokes about attendance at Coyotes games, they're averaging like 11-12k, no? Can a team survive if they only had 3200-4000k seats per game for what would likely be a few years?

Thing is it would probably be at least 4 seasons until a Tempe rink would even be ready.

There is no agreement with Tempe, you'd have to do all the work to find a designer and architect company still, resources for construction etc.

Even if a deal was signed with Tempe tomorrow it would probably be 18-24 months until the shovels were in the ground.

Look at other recent arena builds.

Little Caesars Arena:
May 2012: Initial hiring of the architect
June/July 2013: Official announcement of new arena location, and approval of funding
July 2014: Official renderings of the arena
Sept 2014: Formal groundbreaking ceremony
April 2015: Mass excavation of the site started
Sept 2017: First game was played

So 5 years from the hiring of the architect, and 4 years after the official announcment of the new arena and approval of funding. It seems to take about 2 years from groundbreaking until the rink opens in the US, but generally it takes about 2-3 years to do all the prep work and approvals before that even happens.

If this was a 1-2 season temporary move that would make sense, but it will be at least 4 years and there is no guarantee that a new rink is even a certainty yet.

[powderjunkie]

Is there really a business case for a third big arena in PHX?

In Miami, the Heat and Panthers arenas are 35 miles apart.


Glendale to Tempe spot is only 26 miles, with the Suns arena in the middle (18 and 10 miles away respectively). Won't the arenas just undercut each other for non-sports events?

[Lanny_McDonald]

NVM. Getback nailed it.

[Jordan!]

Webcam of the construction: https://app.oxblue.com/open/mortenson/asuarena

Cam 3 open space is where i'd imagine the Coyotes annex build to take place

[dissentowner]

The thing that annoys me about this you know if this was a Canadian team proposing this Gary Bettman would have them in Houston within a year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

It's not just a college, ASU is a massive corporation and the arena is brand new/state of the art.

ASU is a state school, not a corporation.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

ASU is a state school, not a corporation.

It's not incorporated as a business, but those are not the only kind of corporations. However, there is a pretty darn big business included under the umbrella of ASU's charter: its endowment is said to be $1.3 billion.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

ASU is a state school, not a corporation.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The thing that annoys me about this you know if this was a Canadian team proposing this Gary Bettman would have them in Houston within a year.

This isn't true at all, if any team had a $1.7 Billion arena plan in the works and had a hostile landlord for any of it's teams it would allow this to take place anywhere.

I don't understand why people in Canada continue to have this attitude. Bettman saved most Canadian teams in the 90's/2000's

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The thing that annoys me about this you know if this was a Canadian team proposing this Gary Bettman would have them in Houston within a year.

I mean this myth is still circulating 20+ year later.

There were no local Canadian buyers for either the Jets or the Nords, and no plans to build new arenas. Owners were hemorrhaging money in a time of no revenue sharing and wanted out. What was he supposed to do?

I think comparing the two situations is pretty intellectually dishonest.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's not incorporated as a business, but those are not the only kind of corporations. However, there is a pretty darn big business included under the umbrella of ASU's charter: its endowment is said to be $1.3 billion.

ASU is a non-profit. It's not legally allowed to operate as a corporation or generate profits. The fact that you reference its endowment supports the point. Universities live off of gifts (endowment) from donors and alumni. It is this giving that allows universities to build new buildings and pay for research. They don't generate profits because that is against their charter and their tax status.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

I mean this myth is still circulating 20+ year later.

There were no local Canadian buyers for either the Jets or the Nords, and no plans to build new arenas. Owners were hemorrhaging money in a time of no revenue sharing and wanted out. What was he supposed to do?

I think comparing the two situations is pretty intellectually dishonest.

This has nothing to do with what happened decades ago. If the Flames could no longer play in the Saddledome and had no concrete deal for a new arena and told Bettman their plan was to play at the UofC until they could figure it out he would tell them it was not happening and have them in a US market next year. I have zero doubt of that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This has nothing to do with what happened decades ago. If the Flames could no longer play in the Saddledome and had no concrete deal for a new arena and told Bettman their plan was to play at the UofC until they could figure it out he would tell them it was not happening and have them in a US market next year. I have zero doubt of that.

Because Bettman has moved so many teams from Canada versus into Canada?

It’s clear he doesn’t like to move teams period, but it has nothing to do with Canada v. US.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This has nothing to do with what happened decades ago. If the Flames could no longer play in the Saddledome and had no concrete deal for a new arena and told Bettman their plan was to play at the UofC until they could figure it out he would tell them it was not happening and have them in a US market next year. I have zero doubt of that.

This doesn't line up with the Coyotes plan at all, the Coyotes have an RFP submitted with the city and have a plan in place - they aren't just floating in the wind. This has been ongoing for 2+ years.

If the Coyotes had no plan, no dollars to back it up and an owner who didn't want the team anymore then yeah - they're gonzo. All of this can still happen.

If The Flames had a deal with just an example, Balzac - and The City of Calgary booted them by years end - Bettman would allow them to play at Winsport for a few years if that was the only option.

Bettman isn't dumb - the ASU plan isn't ideal but it will also help the team get their deal passed with the City of Tempe