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Old 01-08-2022, 02:44 AM   #721
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I was on a second date with this girl and something we were discussing led me to asking if she knew of WAP.

She didn't and she was very curious. We're in her car driving to a nature spot so she pulls it up despite my warning and blasts it.

Wasn't sure if it would be weird since I believe she was from a religious family and was this sweet mom to a small girl. Thought, oh #### what did I do, well it was a fun two dates lol. To my shock, nope, we rocked out.

Realized this is a good way to see how laid back/fun a woman is.

Obviously it's terrible music and cardi is a poor influence on her young fanbase but if there's anything to weed out the highly strung women its WAP.

However, if she actually likes the song in a serious way, you may want to run as fast as you can.
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Old 01-08-2022, 05:52 PM   #722
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The aliens that are described as visiting us need to be amazingly advanced to exist yet comically bad at disguising themselves.
Neil deGrasse Tyson said the same thing, he and many more like him also said given the sheer amount of planets likely in the universe it's virtually impossible for intelligent life not to exist somewhere.

Problem is, life forms are a product of their home planet and even if their advancement found a way to go very fast space is not a safe place to bring up a family! If we ever find something "alien" on earth I suspect it would be some kind of lost artifact or probe that's probably 10's of thousands or even millions of years old.
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Old 01-09-2022, 04:06 PM   #723
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So more food for thought - a couple of American politicians making some statements about the UAP file this weekend.

On the most recent episode of Ancient Aliens (I know, I know), Congressman Andre Carson says that - in the event of this being otherworldly - the right mechanisms must be in place to engage the phenomena in a safe manner (Carson was even tweeting about watching this episode and to get excited for it haha).


https://twitter.com/user/status/1480251066059042816


Then, Congressman Tim Burchett had a rather eye-raising tweet about the file.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1480028049940926466

Not sure about what to make of these, but when Congress was debriefed last June on a classified version of the UAP report, these two were there. I think they must have seen or heard something to warrant some concern.

As always, good for speculation and discussion!
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Old 01-09-2022, 05:47 PM   #724
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^^ so what’s classified and has not been released to the public yet??
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Old 01-09-2022, 05:57 PM   #725
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I dunno, I'm in the camp of nothing with mass can travel faster than light, couple that with space expanding faster than light between galaxies and I believe that for anything else in the universe to have visited here is pretty remote or next to impossible.
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Old 01-09-2022, 06:25 PM   #726
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Old 01-09-2022, 06:50 PM   #727
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If you take a look, there is plenty of information on the topic that explains it better than me.



When we talk about FTL travel there's all sorts of problems that pop up like causality(the speed that information travels in the universe) and to a lesser degree, time dilation.
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When we talk about FTL travel there's all sorts of problems that pop up like causality(the speed that information travels in the universe) and to a lesser degree, time dilation.
When the average person speaks about FTL travel they tend to do so in two dimensional terms or plotting out a linear line on a flat map. They don't think multidimensionally. They tend to ignore the portion of relativity where gravity bends both space and time. And why is that? Because we still do not fully understand how gravity and time work. Just like Drake's equation, there are a lot of things in physics we don't completely understand, yet still apply certainty to that knowledge. Relativity says that using gravity would allow FTL travel to be possible, and make those time constraints possibly disappear. The concepts of shortening distances by using gravity to fold space, creating worm holes, and making transportation between great distances almost instantaneous, are supported by Einstein's theory. We hope that quantum mechanics will answer some of the questions and fill the gaps in our understanding, but only the arrival at a unified theory will tie the two together.
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When the average person speaks about FTL travel they tend to do so in two dimensional terms or plotting out a linear line on a flat map. They don't think multidimensionally. They tend to ignore the portion of relativity where gravity bends both space and time. And why is that? Because we still do not fully understand how gravity and time work. Just like Drake's equation, there are a lot of things in physics we don't completely understand, yet still apply certainty to that knowledge. Relativity says that using gravity would allow FTL travel to be possible, and make those time constraints possibly disappear. The concepts of shortening distances by using gravity to fold space, creating worm holes, and making transportation between great distances almost instantaneous, are supported by Einstein's theory. We hope that quantum mechanics will answer some of the questions and fill the gaps in our understanding, but only the arrival at a unified theory will tie the two together.
I really hope we see something in our lifetime along these lines.

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Old 01-09-2022, 08:14 PM   #730
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I really hope we see something in or lifetime along these lines.
I think it's an energy problem. The amount of energy required to create a gravitational field capable of bending space and time is equivalent to that of a star. We would likely have to master nuclear fusion and scale it to build a field around a craft. Theoretically possible. With our current technology and understanding, we're not there yet.
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When the average person speaks about FTL travel they tend to do so in two dimensional terms or plotting out a linear line on a flat map. They don't think multidimensionally. They tend to ignore the portion of relativity where gravity bends both space and time. And why is that? Because we still do not fully understand how gravity and time work. Just like Drake's equation, there are a lot of things in physics we don't completely understand, yet still apply certainty to that knowledge. Relativity says that using gravity would allow FTL travel to be possible, and make those time constraints possibly disappear. The concepts of shortening distances by using gravity to fold space, creating worm holes, and making transportation between great distances almost instantaneous, are supported by Einstein's theory. We hope that quantum mechanics will answer some of the questions and fill the gaps in our understanding, but only the arrival at a unified theory will tie the two together.

It's certainly fun and exciting to speculate. The thread has taken a turn as to what our capabilities are concerned and what is possible. I understand the concept of wormholes though they pose problems as well.



How do you know where the location of the other side of a wormhole is?


How do you target the other side to a certain region of space? Do we have to be there first?


Are wormholes stationary? The universe is expanding and moving at fantastic speeds, would we have to pull it along?


I remember reading about the "catdoor" effect, where the wormhole would potentially collapse when you go through.


These are big questions that have to be addressed. I'm aware of the problem of a grand unification theory but even if we achieve it, it doesn't mean that it will solve all "BigPhysics" problems.



Personally, because of some of these problems, I don't think that intelligent life has visited us. Do I believe that they are out there? yes certainly, but the problems presented make it highly unlikely they have been here.
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It's certainly fun and exciting to speculate. The thread has taken a turn as to what our capabilities are concerned and what is possible. I understand the concept of wormholes though they pose problems as well.



How do you know where the location of the other side of a wormhole is?


How do you target the other side to a certain region of space? Do we have to be there first?


Are wormholes stationary? The universe is expanding and moving at fantastic speeds, would we have to pull it along?


I remember reading about the "catdoor" effect, where the wormhole would potentially collapse when you go through.


These are big questions that have to be addressed. I'm aware of the problem of a grand unification theory but even if we achieve it, it doesn't mean that it will solve all "BigPhysics" problems.



Personally, because of some of these problems, I don't think that intelligent life has visited us. Do I believe that they are out there? yes certainly, but the problems presented make it highly unlikely they have been here.
I recently read an article, if I recall correctly was published by researchers at Harvard, that came to the conclusion that although wormholes are theoretically possible, the time to travel through them would actually be longer than the time to travel directly to that location in space. I won't pretend to understand the science though.

I'll see if I can find the source and edit this post if I do.

Edit: That actually didn't take as long as I thought it would to find.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0415090853.htm
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I recently read an article, if I recall correctly was published by researchers at Harvard, that came to the conclusion that although wormholes are theoretically possible, the time to travel through them would actually be longer than the time to travel the directly to that location in space. I won't pretend to understand the science though.

I'll see if I can find the source and edit this post if I do.

Edit: That actually didn't take as long as I thought it would to find.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0415090853.htm
I think you're talking about the movie "Event Horizon"

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More interesting stuff. Representative Ruben Gallego (D-Arizona) recently did an interview on why UAP's need to be studied from a government standpoint, and why Congress is pushing ahead with a UAP office and task force.

Like other Congress representatives, he is not ruling out the "extraterrestrial" option. And he's speaking about it because he's chairman of intelligence special operations within his jurisdiction.

https://www.astartingpoint.com/dailies/zmEdY0VS

It's a 5 minute interview - not a long watch.
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Old 01-14-2022, 05:58 PM   #736
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I think that the political talk you here is done based on the perceptions of Americas

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Is anyone really surprised about Congress people not knowing what is going on? If I were working in intelligence, they'd be the last people I'd give top secret info to. "Uh, ya, aliens. Go run with that one, Matt. let us know what you find out."
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A fun read, and easy-to-digest summary what's happened recently and what we can expect in 2022 in terms of examining the phenomenon in further depth.

"Interest in UFOs continues to grow, both among scientists and government officials."

https://twitter.com/user/status/1484557902400610310
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"The human time travelers model to explain UFOs has been gaining traction over the last couple years," said Michael Masters, a professor of anthropology at Montana Technological University.

Masters is the author of the 2019 book "Identified Flying Objects," which examines the premise that UFOs and aliens may simply be our distant human descendants using the anthropological tool of time travel to visit and study us, as members of their own hominin evolutionary past.
When your theories on aliens sound so outlandish you have to go with something more believable, like time travelers.

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Sure, it's one of the most unorthodox ideas. There's a lot of theories on the subject. Collection of evidence in IR, megapixel imagery and electromagnetic frequency patterns will help build a better scientific knowledge base. I think the UAPx group will be releasing a large amount of data already collected to the public this year using the UFODAP methods.
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