Spider-Man: No Way Home Spoilers Thread

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/a...me-1235148458/

Love this. I hope we can get an interview with all three Peter's soon

[djsFlames]

I literally had clips from the spidermen reveals in the theaters show up on my YouTube home feed the day before opening day from showings in China all because I had searched the movie for rumours in the months leading up to it a couple times and I guess the Garfield Maguire Hashtags were on my recommended.

The videos play automatically as you scroll over them so I saw the first bit of the Tobey/Garfield back adjustment scene completely inadvertently. Tried to erase it from my mind. Couldnt, so I pretended it was another deep fake since the quality was poor. Obviously my gut all but knew they were showing up.

It's such a minefield out there.

You have to unplug if you want a chance. And then get to your seats with ear plugs in.

[TheScorpion]

Saw it again the other day. Man, Dafoe really is a masterclass every time he's on screen. What a performance.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Saw it again the other day. Man, Dafoe really is a masterclass every time he's on screen. What a performance.

Dafoe's an f'n gem.

[Gaskal]

Tobey: Hey Andrew.
Andrew: What?
Tobey: Let's sneak in and go see our movie in secret together
Andrew: Haha ok but why
Tobey: You know... "it's what we do".

https://www.gamesradar.com/andrew-ga...o-one-noticed/

"I still can't believe it happened," said Garfield. "I snuck into a theater on opening night and just watched with my baseball cap on and my mask. In fact, I was also with Tobey. Me and Tobey snuck into a theater together and no one knew we were there. It was just a really beautiful thing to share together."

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

So I finally watched this, and while it was a lot of fun in IMAX (other than the family right in front of me who felt the need to bring their baby to the theatre, go #### yourselves) it was a lot of fun. But I'm not sure it'll be looked at as a great entry in retrospect. I think the spectacle of it all, combined with the fan service, distracted from a lot of the problems here. Off the top of my head,

1. Spider-Man is not going to get thrown in a room by some random government agent and leaned on. The incident gets investigated by Fury or people working for Fury, and Spider-Man is exonerated before anything gets out of hand.
2. Fury has been off world for more than a year? So the Skrulls who were impersonating him in the last movie just took off and stopped doing that? And presumably explained that to everyone before they left? This movie takes place immediately after the last one and those Skrulls had all of Fury's resources at their disposal, how does this make any sense?
3. Happy Hogan is essentially the top guy aside from Pepper at one of the world's largest corporations. They don't have to live at his house. Even if the Fury-Skrulls have magically vanished, Happy has the resources to take care of all of this.
4. So, not having used any of those resources, Peter's legal troubles just magically disappear? Seriously, I'm completely in disbelief at all the magic happening in this movie and I mean none of the Dr. Strange stuff.
5. So Peter takes Strange's sling ring and he's immediately marooned? The most powerful sorcerer in the known universe can't figure out another way out of the mirror dimension? And Wong doesn't even realize anything has gone wrong, or check in on it? I guess that part is supposed to be explained by the whole "I have other responsibilities" thing but this whole part made me raise an eyebrow, Strange shouldn't be this easily sidelined.
7. Ned, apparently, needs absolutely no training at all to do what took Strange and his fellow students weeks or months to learn. Convenient.
8. Happy apparently has a magical machine in his apartment that can generate whatever the plot happens to require to fix any problem anyone may be experiencing. Convenient.
9. Having lost the magical problem-solving machine in Happy's apartment, both of the other Spider-Men happen to be perfectly equipped to fix the same problems within a short period of time using whatever "science stuff' happened to be on hand. Convenient.
10. How does the solution to the movie work? Like, why was the original "everyone forgets that Peter Parker is Spider-Man" spell totally insufficient but an amended "everyone remembers that there is a Spider-Man but totally forgets who Peter Parker is" spell just the ticket to solving the walls of reality coming crumbling down? What's the logic here?
11. The way they talked about it seemed to suggest that the people were coming to their universe because they knew Spider Man was Peter Parker, so the solution was to erase their memories of Peter Parker altogether. Doesn't that imply that the spell also affects the other universes? If so, didn't Holland-Spider-Man just completely screw over the other Spider-Men? Aren't they going to end up back in their respective universes with no one knowing who either of them are? Or are we just not caring about this because we're not following those timelines in ensuing films?
12. Is the message we're supposed to get at the end that Holland-Peter-Parker has decided that Ned and MJ will just be happier in their lives not knowing him at all? Isn't that kind of a ####ty thing to do to them, given that they clearly wanted him to come find them before having their minds wiped? The early part of the movie was all about them making decisions together, and here he just completely runs over their final wishes as their former selves. I imagine that the justification is to get Zendaya the heck out of this series so she doesn't have to be in them anymore and they can bring in new characters but in-story it seemed... off.

There are probably more things, those were just sort of obvious things that come to mind. I still liked the movie, I was just going "wtf" a bit too often.

[djsFlames]

Good summary of the messiness & convenience of this film that was widely overlooked because of such enjoyable character appearances and interactions.

Messy bag of fun with some nonsense thrown in there. Enjoyable first viewing but I don't know how this one will age.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Oh yeah, one other thing, I can't really remember that awful second Garfield movie but did Electro ever actually know Spider Man's identity? I don't remember that being a thing.

[OutOfTheCube]

You guys seem like tons of fun to see movies with

[Strange Brew]

Well we all have different thresholds for the utter ridiculousness but I’m not thinking that hard about a movie based on a comic book.

Like whether or not Jamie Foxx learned his secret identity. It’s a multiverse right? Aren’t there like millions of them? What are the odds that the only the spidermen from the previous movies and their enemies came through? Kind of a big who cares for me but if you want really want total logic and completeness, this may not be the medium or genre.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

You guys seem like tons of fun to see movies with

Were you under the impression Corsi relayed his concerns to his fellow movie patrons during the showing? Or are you against discussing movies on the internet in general?

These things were there for everyone to see. Some people notice them and some people don’t. Some people think the new matrix was better than Spider-Man.

So what’s the issue here? Now that you know these things does it ruin the movie for you?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

You guys seem like tons of fun to see movies with

What! Nawww.

Talk to the people that could "hardly watch" the Matrix Resurrections to the end.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Were you under the impression Corsi relayed his concerns to his fellow movie patrons during the showing? Or are you against discussing movies on the internet in general?

These things were there for everyone to see. Some people notice them and some people don’t. Some people think the new matrix was better than Spider-Man.

So what’s the issue here? Now that you know these things does it ruin the movie for you?

Haha your bacon is pretty charred about me not hating that movie and being vocal about that.

I liked No Way Home better.

I did talk more positively about M4 in its thread than this movie in this thread, so I can see why it looked that way. But that's just cause I think people's reactions to M4 were exaggerated because they didn't like where it went, so I was attempting to be a voice of reason over there for the few positives that I think it did bring to the table.

Movies can have hit or miss qualities within them (obviously). I'm just encouraging posters to break it all down better rather than just dismissing EVERYTHING about a movie outright, which I think is frankly kind of lazy analysis.

But it is their opinion, and I also don't want to be the opinion police.

Just advocating more objective critiques that can acknowledge both the good and bad in films, even if one outweighs the other.

I often catch movies with someone who was a movie critic blogger hobbyist for several years. This is what we do after every one. We break it all down. So that's what I'm encouraging here, because it's more fun than simply "that was absolute dogshirt!" or "incredible, wow, perfect, loved it".

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What! Nawww.

Talk to the people that could "hardly watch" the Matrix Resurrections to the end.

I have total respect for anyone that started that movie and recognized it for the lazy uninspired effort it was and bailed on it. i gutted it out thinking it simply had to get better and was treated to keanu Reeves waving his hands at some bad guys.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

You guys seem like tons of fun to see movies with

I think a couple of those were nitpicks, some of them are things that cause problems for the broader universe, but some of them are pretty fundamental to this film as a functional movie... The solution to the big climactic problem of the movie didn't make any sense to me, and the decision the protagonist made at the end seems to undermine three movies' worth of trust-building with his friend and girlfriend.

At the end of the day it's a Marvel movie, so you get away with a lot and as long as it's still a fun time, which this clearly was, you're fine. But it's been a while, probably since Black Panther, where the hype for the movie so overshot what was actually produced.

When there's this much stuff going on in two hours the amount of helpful coincidences and convenient occurrences are inevitable for the movie to happen, but they still stick out for me. But at least everything has to make sense, preferably within the context of the larger universe they've built, but at least within the movie itself.

[Acey]

Do I need to watch the first 2 before this one or does it stand alone?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Acey

Do I need to watch the first 2 before this one or does it stand alone?

There are about 30 movies you need to watch before this one.

[Ashes]

I really enjoyed this movie, sure there was some plot holes here and there but none of them took me out of the movie. The portal scene when the other two spiderman come through, probably the best little bit of fan service I can remember from any movie, and the theatre was electric.

I wanted to add a comment I read somewhere on YouTube this week which I found interesting and went completely over my head. So, Tobey is unique since he can shoot webs without needing web shooters (hilarious scene when they call him on it), Tom Hollands Spiderman is unique because of his unreal spider sense (in infinity war, when he knew he was going to blipped like 30 seconds before it happened, and then in NWH when he could sense green goblin taking over Osborne's personality). But uhh not to hate on Garfield but what's his special ability? Asking for a friend.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There are about 30 movies you need to watch before this one.

Most of which I've seen. Haven't seen any of these with Holland so I have no idea.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I’m actually not really sure. The movie does a reasonably good job of exposition when it comes to the first two movies and the rest is obvious enough I’m sure you’ll figure it out.

Might miss a few of the jokes are inside references but I can’t think of anything offhand that will be hard to follow or confusing.