Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving was/is in a very tough spot. Sign him to a bad contract you lose. Don’t sign him and he is having a career year you lose.

But I don’t feel sorry for him, he got paid good to make the decision.

And I also disagree that he couldn’t sign him. Everyone has a price.

There are practical limits to the “price” making some contracts simply impossible.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving was/is in a very tough spot. Sign him to a bad contract you lose. Don’t sign him and he is having a career year you lose.

But I don’t feel sorry for him, he got paid good to make the decision.

And I also disagree that he couldn’t sign him. Everyone has a price.

It’s the Roman Turek dilemma that Craig Button had.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There are practical limits to the “price” making some contracts simply impossible.

Maybe but look at Dubais signing all those ridiculous contacts in Toronto. Good players will pay off eventually

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Could be a mutual agreement between them we don't know yet. Could be that Johnny told Tre that he wants to prove himself to show he is worth a bigger, better contract but actually wants to stay. On the ice, Johnny acts like he is happy playing with his team and his line-mates. They are feeding off each other like they are really close. Even Matt in his interview was commenting on how close the team was. The opportunity to prove his worth as JG is doing now might be the opportunity he was given to justify a good payday.

I know people get concerned, you just have to go back to Johnny's last contract to see all the over-the-top comments regarding Johnny and Treliving not having a contract signed. I am thankful that the board's posting has improved as it was unbearable during that last contract. That Gaudreauovertime poster was a very negative catalyst on the forum. Most posters these days, although not always agreeing have matured and are quite rational.

What I find telling is that there is very little noise around this. Of all the reading or podcasts I listen to, no one is talking about Gaudreau’s impending departure. Not even rabble rouser Eric Francis has recently talked about this (admittedly I don’t make a point to listen to his hits or seek his stuff out).

The fact it is relatively quiet suggests to me neither side wants to rock the boat too hard and are probably happy to keep discussions private. The more quiet it is, the better if you’re in the sign Gaudreau camp IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Maybe but look at Dubais signing all those ridiculous contacts in Toronto. Good players will pay off eventually

There’s limits as far as cap room, max contract, and what the player wants for term.

And are you seriously recommending contracts like those in Toronto, where they’ve had to shed good players like Hyman as a result?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s limits as far as cap room, max contract, and what the player wants for term.

And are you seriously recommending contracts like those in Toronto, where they’ve had to shed good players like Hyman as a result?

Yes, Hyman is a much more valuable asset than Matthews, Marner, Tavares, or Nylander. We should let Johnny and Chucky walk and extend Monahan next year right?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s limits as far as cap room, max contract, and what the player wants for term.

And are you seriously recommending contracts like those in Toronto, where they’ve had to shed good players like Hyman as a result?

We really only have 2 real stars to sign. Maybe stop spending useless money on UFAs like Neal or even Coleman

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

We really only have 2 real stars to sign. Maybe stop spending useless money on UFAs like Neal or even Coleman

Yes, because everyone knows, you only need two players to build a winner!

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, because everyone knows, you only need two players to build a winner!

Sublte Oilers jab?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, because everyone knows, you only need two players to build a winner!

Just ask Oiler fans. It's all Tippett's fault they aren't running away with the league.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

We really only have 2 real stars to sign. Maybe stop spending useless money on UFAs like Neal or even Coleman

Neal’s money? You mean Lucic? Coleman makes what the league dictates and he’s far from useless.

Maybe you should enlighten us all with your breakdown of a good team salary structure.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Neal’s money? You mean Lucic? Coleman makes what the league dictates and he’s far from useless.

Maybe you should enlighten us all with your breakdown of a good team salary structure.

^ I would love to hear this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, Hyman is a much more valuable asset than Matthews, Marner, Tavares, or Nylander. We should let Johnny and Chucky walk and extend Monahan next year right?

You act like it’s a binary choice. Maybe don’t cave to the first ask and sign all of them.

But take your whipping boy out of it. Is it worth just signing them to max and losing, say, Mangiapane?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Neal’s money? You mean Lucic? Coleman makes what the league dictates and he’s far from useless.

Maybe you should enlighten us all with your breakdown of a good team salary structure.

We’ll it sure isn’t giving 22 million to Backlund, Coleman, Lucic and Backlund for 15 goals

You can have 1 or 2 mistakes , but you can’t be paying middle 6 players 5 million and loose your stars

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You act like it’s a binary choice. Maybe don’t cave to the first ask and sign all of them.

But take your whipping boy out of it. Is it worth just signing them to max and losing, say, Mangiapane?

If you take Monahan out you have the money to sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane. Nobody said they have to be signed to the max. Marner might have been a bit overpaid but Nylander was underpayed. Has losing Hyman hurt the Leafs any? Not really.

[VilleN]

Isn’t it possible that Gaudreau has stated he will sign with the Flames in the off-season, if they want to sign him? Why would he sign this past offseason at a low value? If I were him, and I wanted to stay in Calgary and maximize my value I’d tell Treliving: “hey, I don’t want to sign an extension until next offseason, because I feel like I can make more money if I have a good season. So I’ll bet on myself, and come the offseason if you can sign me for fair value, I’ll stay” seems very plausible.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you take Monahan out you have the money to sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane. Nobody said they have to be signed to the max. Marner might have been a bit overpaid but Nylander was underpayed. Has losing Hyman hurt the Leafs any? Not really.

Well, you aren’t taking Monahan out - he’s under contract. And you are the one saying “everyone has a price”. So how much do you pay them each?

ETA: let’s wait for the Leafs to do something serious before we proclaim this a good strategy, shall we?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Isn’t it possible that Gaudreau has stated he will sign with the Flames in the off-season, if they want to sign him? Why would he sign this past offseason at a low value? If I were him, and I wanted to stay in Calgary and maximize my value I’d tell Treliving: “hey, I don’t want to sign an extension until next offseason, because I feel like I can make more money if I have a good season. So I’ll bet on myself, and come the offseason if you can sign me for fair value, I’ll stay” seems very plausible.

I think most will probably snicker at this but I wouldn’t dismiss this out of hand. Ultimately relationships, in sports or otherwise, are built on trust. I’ll go out on a limb and say not one person on this forum has any insight as to what the relationship between the Flames and Gaudreau is. I will say he seems a lot happier now than he did 2 years ago.

Just speculation on my part but it seems to me Guy Gaudreau and the rest of the family are appreciative of what the Flames have provided to Johnny. If JG is happy and comfortable, why mess with that? He may leave but I doubt it is a decision he makes easily.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, you aren’t taking Monahan out - he’s under contract. And you are the one saying “everyone has a price”. So how much do you pay them each?

ETA: let’s wait for the Leafs to do something serious before we proclaim this a good strategy, shall we?

Are you saying the Flames cannot get rid of Monahan's contract? You just said in your previous post even if we take out my "whipping boy" the money is not there. It most certainly is. They can send picks/prospects to a team with cap to take him on. They can buy him out after the season. As for the Leafs, they have 44 points in 31 games in the toughest division in hockey, I doubt they have the same record if you trade one of the 4 I mentioned to keep Zach Hymen who has to be saddled to a star player to be productive.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Are you saying the Flames cannot get rid of Monahan's contract? You just said in your previous post even if we take out my "whipping boy" the money is not there. It most certainly is. They can send picks/prospects to a team with cap to take him on. They can buy him out after the season. As for the Leafs, they have 44 points in 31 games in the toughest division in hockey, I doubt they have the same record if you trade one of the 4 I mentioned to keep Zach Hymen who has to be saddled to a star player to be productive.

You keep sticking words in my mouth and making disingenuous arguments. But I can play along. Yes, the Flames could dump Monahan’s contract but they’d have to either take on salary to do. No team is just absorbing that contract without divesting some of their own. And no, I wasn’t suggesting the Leafs trade one of their players. Just not paying them as much. And Hyman doesn’t need to be saddled to someone to be productive. The Leafs regular season record is fine. Their post season record isn’t. They missed their window last year and aren’t going very far this year IMO.