Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Maybe there wasn’t an ask in the off season. Gaudreau could have said I am not negotiating until seasons end when I have the most leverage… what should Tre have done if this were the situation?

Pretty sure I read somewhere they were discussing so your theory doesn’t apply

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Close but not what I meant

What I said was he can’t play hardball with UFA like RFA

Look at all the bad contracts he gave the UFAs. Same with Johnny now, give the guy what he wants or he walks

I misunderstood your point. Yes I agree you can't play hard ball in the same way. Johnny has the leverage. Agreed.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Maybe there wasn’t an ask in the off season. Gaudreau could have said I am not negotiating until seasons end when I have the most leverage… what should Tre have done if this were the situation?

I suspect that is probably the way it played out. At that point, all the GM can really do is make sure the player is as happy and successful as possible, then wait it out. So far so good in that department I think, so now we just wait to see what Gaudreau decides. The management isn’t in the drivers seat right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Gio was signed before the season started?
Backlund was the only significant player that was last minute. But then Brodie walked

My point still stands, he cannot play hardball with Johnny. He’ll lose.

Gio was signed before the lasted year in his existing contract started. So? Backlund was signed in February.

There’s just no evidence that Treliving is being more of a harass with RFAs, nor that it has affected re-signings. Pretty much lol of his more difficult negotiations are obviously cap-related.

It would be pretty foolish to just offer more in the hopes it will encourage some sort of home town advantage in 5-6 years.

[The Cobra]

Since we have zero facts about what Johnny wants on a long term deal and what Trev is willing to give him, it’s impossible to speculate what Trev should have done now or previously.

Sure it would have been better to have signed a Johnny for 8 years previously, but I doubt that Johnny wanted to do that, since it would have meant he would have been a UFA at a very poor time for him. He really wanted 5 years, but settled for 6. Like most players, they want to be UFA’s as soon as possible, not necessarily to leave, but to increase their leverage. Well, Johnny has all the leverage in the world now, even to the point where he likely even controls his trade market (not that there is any chance of him being traded).

If Trev wants to sign him now, he’ll need to pay whatever Johnny demands. Right now, what people think he’s worth based on comparable really isn’t relevant. He can ask for what he wants to stay.


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[Erick Estrada]

All I know is this season is going perfectly for Gaudreau. He's playing himself into the top UFA player in free agency. He's going to cash in and I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Islanders that lacks elite forward offers him a deal in the area of what Panarin got. I don't know what happened between his agent and Treliving this summer but the cost to secure Gaudreau long term is going to be a lot higher at the end of the season than it was in the offseason. I don't know what Treliving has planned but it's not looking good for the Flames who really have no leverage anymore.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Pretty sure I read somewhere they were discussing so your theory doesn’t apply

Lol ok. Maybe the discussion was about a contract extension and Gaudreau’s agent said we’d like to wait. And when Tre was asked about it by the media he said ‘we’re having discussions’… also, just because you read something somewhere is meaningless… you should know that.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

All I know is this season is going perfectly for Gaudreau. He's playing himself into the top UFA player in free agency. He's going to cash in and I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Islanders that lacks elite forward offers him a deal in the area of what Panarin got. I don't know what happened between his agent and Treliving this summer but the cost to secure Gaudreau long term is going to be a lot higher at the end of the season than it was in the offseason. I don't know what Treliving has planned but it's not looking good for the Flames who really have no leverage anymore.

It was tough because the Flames were not the same caliber team in the offseason as they are now. My fingers are crossed that 13 and 19 truly believe that Calgary is a place they can win. The closer they get to the cup this year, the higher the likelihood they stay.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

It was tough because the Flames were not the same caliber team in the offseason as they are now. My fingers are crossed that 13 and 19 truly believe that Calgary is a place they can win. The closer they get to the cup this year, the higher the likelihood they stay.

And unfortunately, the higher their price tag will be on the open market.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

And unfortunately, the higher their price tag will be on the open market.

Likely the highest, of all the UFA's this summer Johnny is probably #1 on most GM's lists.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Likely the highest, of all the UFA's this summer Johnny is probably #1 on most GM's lists.

He will be the best player, I suspect, if he chooses to go UFA. That said, not every team can afford to sign the best available player. The ones with cap room to absorb his demands may not be the ones who have a great shot at winning, if that’s something he wants. Mind you, I suspect if he really wants Philly they could do it.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

All I know is this season is going perfectly for Gaudreau. He's playing himself into the top UFA player in free agency. He's going to cash in and I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Islanders that lacks elite forward offers him a deal in the area of what Panarin got. I don't know what happened between his agent and Treliving this summer but the cost to secure Gaudreau long term is going to be a lot higher at the end of the season than it was in the offseason. I don't know what Treliving has planned but it's not looking good for the Flames who really have no leverage anymore.

I don't think Brad had any plans if Gaudreau was able to get into his final year without a contract, and he was likely trying everything before the season started with Gaudreau's camp sitting pretty and waiting. You're right that this is now an elite UFA upping his value with each passing game.

He will be coveted by all the top teams that can fit him in and will likely be in the Panarin range. Zero reason for him to give anything to the Flames now, he will be on the UFA offer tour and will get some great ones out east.

[Hackey]

I think the odds of Johnny walking for nothing are quite high. The odds of him signing before the trade deadline are probably slim to none and the odds of the Flames dealing him at the deadline are also probably slim to none.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think the odds of Johnny walking for nothing are quite high. The odds of him signing before the trade deadline are probably slim to none and the odds of the Flames dealing him at the deadline are also probably slim to none.

Adieu Johnny de Hockey merci pour les memories.

Johnny is going the way of our new Event Centre.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think the odds of Johnny walking for nothing are quite high. The odds of him signing before the trade deadline are probably slim to none and the odds of the Flames dealing him at the deadline are also probably slim to none.

Yup...and IMO BT's largest blunder as GM.


Letting him get to this point was the last thing that should have happened.

As soon as it was clear there would be no extension before his NTC kicked in, JG should have been on his way out for something(s) under club control.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup...and IMO BT's largest blunder as GM.


Letting him get to this point was the last thing that should have happened.

As soon as it was clear there would be no extension before his NTC kicked in, JG should have been on his way out for something(s) under club control.

I think it very likely that had Treliving traded Gaudreau there would be an avalanche of posters complaining Treliving didn’t get enough, or he traded him at the wrong time (low point), or he should have backed up the truck and signed him to whatever Gaudreau would have wanted. I also think it is the same group of people who are complaining about the current situation would have complained about the alternative outcome. Gotta complain about something, right fellas? And as long as the Flames don’t win the cup, then we can fill our boots.

I think there are a lot of posters here who are going to complain no matter what scenario would have or will play out. The way some people talk here you would think Treliving has never thought about the multiple outcomes of the current situation. This assumption that Flames management is being run by a group of imbeciles who are hopelessly lost is absurd.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Starting to get nervous Tranny? Treliving's fixation on big game hunting has really hurt this team. He was totally distracted and it looks like it is going to blow up in the team's face.

[Major Major]

The good news is that, given that Johnny didn't sign before the season, how this year is unfolding is the best scenario for both him and the team.

Despite the panic and dejection... And the weird saying goodbye to Johnny in French on a game day, the flames are in a good spot to get the deal done. It's just going to cost.

He likes it here. He has matured over the last 2 years. He's successful here on a team having success. Anyone who's paying attention knows that Sutter has been key to his overall game. Guess who has been paying attention and is a career coach? Guy Gaudreau. You don't think he knows how valuable a Sutter is for his son. Does anyone have Johnny's ear more than Guy? He's the person who told Johnny to go to Calgary in the first place.

So Calgary is a good to great option for Johnny and can pay top dollar. What are the other vaunted options with 10 million in cap space? People keep saying Philly. Ok, home town... Everyone's got one. Team is nose diving. Could be going through a wholesale rebuild. Mike Yeo is their coach. Their moves last offseason were rank. Could they offer 10 to Johnny? Maybe... Does it make any sense at all for them or him? I don't think so.

All signs point to him signing a big deal here.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The good news is that, given that Johnny didn't sign before the season, how this year is unfolding is the best scenario for both him and the team.

Despite the panic and dejection... And the weird saying goodbye to Johnny in French on a game day, the flames are in a good spot to get the deal done. It's just going to cost.

He likes it here. He has matured over the last 2 years. He's successful here on a team having success. Anyone who's paying attention knows that Sutter has been key to his overall game. Guess who has been paying attention and is a career coach? Guy Gaudreau. You don't think he knows how valuable a Sutter is for his son. Does anyone have Johnny's ear more than Guy? He's the person who told Johnny to go to Calgary in the first place.

So Calgary is a good to great option for Johnny and can pay top dollar. What are the other vaunted options with 10 million in cap space? People keep saying Philly. Ok, home town... Everyone's got one. Team is nose diving. Could be going through a wholesale rebuild. Mike Yeo is their coach. Their moves last offseason were rank. Could they offer 10 to Johnny? Maybe... Does it make any sense at all for them or him? I don't think so.

All signs point to him signing a big deal here.

Can’t imagine Philadelphia being a great place to call home while you’re the supposed local superstar on a struggling team. I’m sure it would be great when times are good, but on the flip side it could be pretty miserable for Gaudreau, and his family, when the team is losing.

I think staying in Calgary would be very appealing for Gaudreau. He knows the organization, he knows the City, has publicly said he is happy here on a number of occasions. No question, the Flames are going to have to pay but I would think there is as good a chance as any other team to sign him. Plus the Flames can give him that 8th year. If things don’t work out here, he and the team can always look to move on from one another. Despite the fact people think Treliving has royally screwed this up, he probably has a much better grasp on what is at stake than anyone here does. He doesn’t seem too panicked to me and I’m not seeing/hearing anything from credible sources that say Gaudreau has one foot out the door.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup...and IMO BT's largest blunder as GM.


Letting him get to this point was the last thing that should have happened.

As soon as it was clear there would be no extension before his NTC kicked in, JG should have been on his way out for something(s) under club control.

If they win the cup this season it would be worth it but to lose your best player for nothing is an epic disaster. I just don't understand what the plan was here if there was one.