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[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Every poll ever done on the subject shows that newsrooms are overwhelmingly staffed by Democrat voters.

Which has to do with anything I wrote... How?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Which has to do with anything I wrote... How?

Brainwashing goes both ways.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Every poll ever done on the subject shows that newsrooms are overwhelmingly staffed by Democrat voters.

Troll-a-lol.

And that the management that guides the agenda setting power of the media are staffed by Republican voters.

It is why the Mayflower and Fairness Doctrines were so important to the maintenance of balance within the 5th estate in the United States. It is why the CRTC continues to maintain fairness and accuracy standards for Canadian media. The erosion of regulation over lies presented in the media is what is the greatest harm to democracy today.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Troll-a-lol.

And that the management that guides the agenda setting power of the media are staffed by Republican voters.

It is why the Mayflower and Fairness Doctrines were so important to the maintenance of balance within the 5th estate in the United States. It is why the CRTC continues to maintain fairness and accuracy standards for Canadian media. The erosion of regulation over lies presented in the media is what is the greatest harm to democracy today.

Incorrect. Because the regulators themselves might have an agenda (and they regularly do).

The proper correction for the decline in the quality of media is a decline in trust people have in the media - which is exactly what is occurring.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Incorrect. Because the regulators themselves might have an agenda (and they regularly do).



The proper correction for the decline in the quality of media is a decline in trust people have in the media - which is exactly what is occurring.

People lost trust in the media because there is an alternative media in the US that is very powerful and basically gives you a completely different story to the mainstream media.

Foxnews.com and NYTimes or CNN are basically covering different worlds.

It happens with super online people in Canada too. You see posters here complaining about massive CBC liberal bias, where in reality it has a liberal lean but nothing wild.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

People lost trust in the media because there is an alternative media in the US that is very powerful and basically gives you a completely different story to the mainstream media.

Foxnews.com and NYTimes or CNN are basically covering different worlds.

It happens with super online people in Canada too. You see posters here complaining about massive CBC liberal bias, where in reality it has a liberal lean but nothing wild.

In the US it's worse because conservatives tend to control local tv and national radio even outside of national. In Canada, the right controls local newspapers through post media, but thats a dying source.

[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Brainwashing goes both ways.

When it comes to media, you can't both sides this one. You can't pretend Tucker Carlson and Anderson Cooper are having the same conversation but from an ideologically opposite side. You can't pretend Breitbart and the Washington Post are the same thing. Radical right wingers have talk radio cornered in the US. Facebook has essentially become a right wing propaganda machine, and that's not even mentioning something like 4chan in its day. Isn't it interesting that Rupert Murdoch doesn't do business in Canada, and compared to the UK, Australia and the United States we're dealing with... Very little in the way of right wing extremism and left/right political division?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

When it comes to media, you can't both sides this one. You can't pretend Tucker Carlson and Anderson Cooper are having the same conversation but from an ideologically opposite side. You can't pretend Breitbart and the Washington Post are the same thing. Radical right wingers have talk radio cornered in the US. Facebook has essentially become a right wing propaganda machine, and that's not even mentioning something like 4chan in its day. Isn't it interesting that Rupert Murdoch doesn't do business in Canada, and compared to the UK, Australia and the United States we're dealing with... Very little in the way of right wing extremism and left/right political division?

If you are right leaning, then the right leaning media seems moderate.

If you are left leaning, then the left leaning media seems moderate.

You can absolutely "both sides" this issue.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Sorry about jumping into two conversations mid-stream.

Earlier the talk was about the differences between Democrats and Republicans, and it's important to point out that the answers given were about the electorate, and not the public officials. If you want to talk about the goals of the elected Democrats, it's : personal enrichment, and for Republicans, it's : personal enrichment. This occurs at all levels of government, and is a big reason why things do not 'get better' no matter who is in office.

The only second point I would make is that it is forever surprising to me that the American people do not understand how much more expensive their system of health can is compared to the rest of the world. It is by far the biggest albatross hanging around their neck.

Spoiler!

https://www.cihi.ca/en/how-does-cana...ending-compare

You make a really good 2nd point on healthcare. Healthcare in the US is free market gone wrong. Everything is more expensive the higher the demand is. Drugs are more expensive, staff salaries are higher, equipment is more expensive, admin costs are higher, therefore for profit hospitals charge more and therefore premiums go up and the government pays the balance left over.

That said, I don't know how single payer would get incorporated into this broken system without costing more.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Incorrect. Because the regulators themselves might have an agenda (and they regularly do).

Wrong as usual hulderfolk. Only when politicos get involved in regulation do we see the process breakdown. It is why regulation has been historically done through advisory committees with representatives from all constituent and stakeholder groups. This insures regulation is representative of the needs of all stakeholders and is not poisoned by agendas. Only when the politicos try and stack the bodies responsible for regulation development do we run into these problems.

The proper correction for the decline in the quality of media is a decline in trust people have in the media - which is exactly what is occurring.

Are you really as dense as you come across? The reason for the distrust in media is the bifurcation created in the media caused by the removal of the controls established in the Mayflower and Fairness Doctrines, and then the deregulation in ownership caused by the passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The loss of the doctrines gave way to an imbalance in the presentation of information, and then the change in ownership rules allowed for consolidation of outlets and the establishment of echo chambers. The consolidation of ownership also meant a loss of diversity of voices and ideas, which meant representative points of views from around the nation were lost and only a few voices contributed to the zeitgeist. It is why conservatives have a much narrower view, and more often incorrect information, on important events and issues. The echo chamber is the same voices repeating the same misinformation/disinformation.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Wrong as usual hulderfolk. Only when politicos get involved in regulation do we see the process breakdown. It is why regulation has been historically done through advisory committees with representatives from all constituent and stakeholder groups. This insures regulation is representative of the needs of all stakeholders and is not poisoned by agendas. Only when the politicos try and stack the bodies responsible for regulation development do we run into these problems.



Are you really as dense as you come across? The reason for the distrust in media is the bifurcation created in the media caused by the removal of the controls established in the Mayflower and Fairness Doctrines, and then the deregulation in ownership caused by the passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The loss of the doctrines gave way to an imbalance in the presentation of information, and then the change in ownership rules allowed for consolidation of outlets and the establishment of echo chambers. The consolidation of ownership also meant a loss of diversity of voices and ideas, which meant representative points of views from around the nation were lost and only a few voices contributed to the zeitgeist. It is why conservatives have a much narrower view, and more often incorrect information, on important events and issues. The echo chamber is the same voices repeating the same misinformation/disinformation.

If Trump wins in 2024 and the Republicans have the house and the Senate, would you want them implementing the regulatory regime for the media?

[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

If you are right leaning, then the right leaning media seems moderate.

If you are left leaning, then the left leaning media seems moderate.

You can absolutely "both sides" this issue.

Do you ever actually address any of the points people make to you? Doubling down on your original assertion without any additional facta is basically a non response. You seem to actually believe the garbage you post, why don't you ever defend any of it?

What does made up crap like... Idk... The war on Christmas have to do with being a conservative? Cause that lunacy is the right wing media bubble in a nutshell.

[CliffFletcher]

Why do people assume that those who support different politics than they do have been misled or tricked? The truth is that people have different values. And a great many Americans have a powerful dislike of paying taxes. That’s why the native-born population of California is declining while Texas and Florida enjoy booming net migration. Not because Tucker Carlson or Brietbart are poisoning their minds.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why do people assume that those who support different politics than they do have been misled or tricked? The truth is that people have different values. And a great many Americans have a powerful dislike of paying taxes. That’s why the native-born population of California is declining while Texas and Florida enjoy booming net migration. Not because Tucker Carlson or Brietbart are poisoning their minds.

A dislike for paying taxes and voting in your best interest are not the same. I think most people to not evaluate which set of policies will be better for them when voting. It’s done emotionally.

Real Estate prices are the real driver of California migration.

[GirlySports]

Not only emotionally but there's a lot of selfish, hypocritical people. People who want low taxes and whine about wasted services and then rant angrily about streets not being plowed. Cities should have pay-per-plow but that would be seen as two-tiered.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Incorrect. Because the regulators themselves might have an agenda (and they regularly do).

The proper correction for the decline in the quality of media is a decline in trust people have in the media - which is exactly what is occurring.

The only media spreading disinformation is on the right. All cow towing to Trump and his election lies. It's no wonder those media stations are being sued.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

A dislike for paying taxes and voting in your best interest are not the same. I think most people to not evaluate which set of policies will be better for them when voting. It’s done emotionally.

Real Estate prices are the real driver of California migration.

A dislike for paying taxes and voting in your best interest are often the same. People who prefer lower taxes are also often people who prefer fewer overall government interventions in the economy. Republicans at least pretend to be a party of smaller, less statist government policies.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Dion

The only media spreading disinformation is on the right. All cow towing to Trump and his election lies. It's no wonder those media stations are being sued.

If you believe that, then you are simply a victim of your own confirmation bias. More importantly you are a victim of superficial consumption of the media. This isn't surprising, it's a very common position to hold.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

If you believe that, then you are simply a victim of your own confirmation bias. More importantly you are a victim of superficial consumption of the media. This isn't surprising, it's a very common position to hold.

I have no bias. I read all sources of media to try and ascertain the truth. You should do the same.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Dion

The only media spreading disinformation is on the right. All cow towing to Trump and his election lies. It's no wonder those media stations are being sued.