12-09-2021, 01:08 PM
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by dash_pinched
Stan Smyl will go down as the most successful GM in Canucks history - What a glorious four days.
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It was such a huge change after the previous gm. No traded draft picks. No bad contracts. Hell, he was even undefeated. Maybe best GM of all time to never win a cup?
Hard to say.
Still, he got this team as far as he could take it. It was time for some new blood, a fresh voice to carry this team over the finish line.
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Also, as POHO, he may still hire some young blood to be the Panthers' GM.
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12-09-2021, 01:17 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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I look forward to how Jim handles media in a Canadian market.
https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/p...rgh-columnist/
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After exiting a media elevator and while walking with other reporters to the Penguins' dressing room, Rutherford addressed this columnist, a frequent critic since his hiring last June, in an obscenity-laced diatribe.
“Thanks for your support,” Rutherford said repeatedly.
“You're a (expletive) jerk,” Rutherford said repeatedly.
Rutherford followed the jerk comment with a suggestion to “go sell ice cream now,” then a challenge to look him in the eye, which I did while explaining my role as Trib Total Media's lead sports columnist.
My role is to provide opinion.
“Well, your opinion is (expletive),” Rutherford said
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12-09-2021, 01:30 PM
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#23
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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I hope he ends up in an elevator with Matt Sekeres.
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12-09-2021, 01:35 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Read: Puppet
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12-09-2021, 01:55 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Sigh. NHL is such a recycle bin league. A 72 year old Jim Rutherford is not what any team needs today.
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It is probably worth pointing out that he is accepting the job as the Canucks's President, and that he will be hiring a GM in the future. It is actually probably not a bad idea for there to be a buffer between ownership and management, and I think I provides this much.
I actually think it is a sensible move.
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12-09-2021, 01:56 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Conversely you will never find the next great GM by hring recycled mediocre ones. I would be okay with finding a young up and coming GM rather than old guard guys like Benning.
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But, Benning was a young, up-and-coming GM when the Canucks hired him.
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12-09-2021, 02:02 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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The best part of this is that we don't have to retire #thankyoujim
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12-09-2021, 02:16 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Pretty surprised at the negative responses here, Rutherford won two cups just recently.
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12-09-2021, 02:21 PM
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Won 2 cups (in Pitt), spent like a madman to keep that window pried open. Did what ownership wanted I suppose, just didn't have success past that 2nd cup.
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12-09-2021, 02:25 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro
Pretty surprised at the negative responses here, Rutherford won two cups just recently.
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True, but....there were few hall of fame calibre players already on that team which the Canucks kind of lack.
More interesting i think is how fast does he trade Brandon Sutter? Does he do it before dinner today or wait until morning? He shipped him out of Carolina to Pittsburgh, then when he was GM of pittsburgh, he shipped Sutter out of Pittsburgh to Vancouver.
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12-09-2021, 02:27 PM
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Franchise Player
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He did do a decent job before that in terms of making Carolina relevant.
I dunno, it just seems like a very scattershot approach - hire the coach first, then the POHO, then maybe a GM at some point? Or is it just going to be him and he's "mentoring" the Sedin Twins for a couple of years?
Anyway, it's better than what was there before. Low bar.
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12-09-2021, 02:27 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
True, but....there were few hall of fame calibre players already on that team which the Canucks kind of lack.
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You can say that about every Cup-winning team, but very few of them win back-to-back. And a lot of teams with players of that quality never win jack. The Canucks would know all about that one.
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12-09-2021, 02:34 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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Dim Jim 2.0
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12-09-2021, 02:34 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
You can say that about every Cup-winning team, but very few of them win back-to-back. And a lot of teams with players of that quality never win jack. The Canucks would know all about that one.
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Hmmm. I'm missing your point. Not every cup team has two automatic hall of famers/legends on the roster when the GM arrives. That poster was surprised at negative responses because he won two cups. I'm saying he arrived when the team already was set up to win. Ya he added Kessel and Trevor Daley etc. But hard to say Rutherford's moves were incremental vs what another GM would have done....WARGM is the metric!
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12-09-2021, 02:36 PM
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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They hadn't won in 7 years though and seemed like the window was closing. Give him some credit for opening it back up, winning and then trying to keep it going. If it was automatic with Crosby & Malkin they would have had several cups in that 7 years.
As Flames fans we shouldn't be happy when a rival gets better on or off the ice. I get that. But Vancouver is better for these moves.
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12-09-2021, 02:55 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Hmmm. I'm missing your point. Not every cup team has two automatic hall of famers/legends on the roster when the GM arrives.
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Not every GM wins two Stanley Cups in his first three years with a team, either. The fact remains that Rutherford took a Pittsburgh team that hadn't won a championship since 2009, in spite of having those two ‘automatic hall of famers/legends’ on the roster, and built up the supporting cast that allowed them to win two championships in three years.
He also won a Stanley Cup in Carolina, and he did not have any Hall of Famers when he took over there. The team was still in Hartford at that time.
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12-09-2021, 02:57 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Conversely you will never find the next great GM by hring recycled mediocre ones. I would be okay with finding a young up and coming GM rather than old guard guys like Benning.
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3 Stanley Cups as a GM, 2 in the last 5 years, sure does scream mediocre alright.
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12-09-2021, 02:59 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dustygoon
Hmmm. I'm missing your point. Not every cup team has two automatic hall of famers/legends on the roster when the GM arrives. That poster was surprised at negative responses because he won two cups. I'm saying he arrived when the team already was set up to win. Ya he added Kessel and Trevor Daley etc. But hard to say Rutherford's moves were incremental vs what another GM would have done....WARGM is the metric!
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Yes he had a great foundation with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury. The Penguins' amateur guys also drafted and developed well.
But overall he made a major turnaround in their roster from the 2013-14 team he inherited. And part of that can be as simple as calling guys up when they've earned it, even if they're undersized or not high draft picks.
Sheary-Crosby- Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin- Rust
Hagelin-Bonino-Kessel
Kuhnhackl-Cullen-Fehr
+ Jake Guentzal in 2017
Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta- Daley
Cole-Schultz
Murray
MAF
That was a deep, FAST roster that all fit within the salary cap. And Sullivan made them play a fast style, not unlike Boudreau. The least impressive guys there in terms of speed were Kunitz and Maatta. Meh.
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Last edited by GranteedEV; 12-09-2021 at 03:20 PM.
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12-09-2021, 03:01 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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One of the luckiest GMs joins one of the least lucky franchises.
Something is going to have to give.
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12-09-2021, 03:18 PM
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#40
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Anyway, it's better than what was there before. Low bar.
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