[Signing] Sabres sign Mark Jankowski (one year, $750k)

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Good signing for Buffalo. Think he can be a 30-40 point center on a bad team and this really has no down side.

My guess is he struggles to get 15 pts this season.

[Snuffleupagus]

Given contract I would prefer Jankowski over Monahan

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Given contract I would prefer Jankowski over Monahan

On his contract so far, despite his recent troubles, Monahan has scored 126 goals and 290 points, which is more than triple Jankowski's career totals to date. Both contracts are overpayments at this point, but Monahan at least delivered on the first half of his.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by FBI

I think it’s just the passion. I bet Sutter could get him to become consistent in his effort.

No, I don't think it's a lack of passion. I actually think Jankowski is a pretty competitive player. However I see Jankowski as two different players:

a) A responsible depth centre who commits to helping his defensemen down low, lacks confidence at the NHL level, electing to play a passive "shotblock" style and dumping pucks into the offensive zone for a change rather than attempting to make plays

b) An aggressive forward who uses his reach and fluid skating to check opponents, who then confidently uses his strong puck skills and frame to rush the puck through open ice, and with time and space can score some pretty sweet goals with his wrister and hands in-tight

By forcing Jankowski to only play centre, he becomes far too concerned with playing a safe game, and not confident enough in his skills to drive play without being a liability. Add to that the fact that he never really had a natural scoring winger (i.e. Panarin, Gaudreau, Hall etc) and he really was just playing the way a lot of AHL tweeners play - too scared to make a play himself. He was at his best when Jagr and Bennett were doing all the puckhandling work on the line and he could use his own strengths without taking risks.

I would have liked to see Janko get a chance on the wing, and let him defer "responsible" play to guys I felt had a better feel for the position like Backlund, Bennett, Ryan. Janko was better on the PK than he was 5v5 because IMO he was forced to be more aggressive.

[Monahammer]

18-19 he had 32 points playing as 3 or 4C. I think that was a great season for him. 56 in 64g as a 21 year old 1 C in the AHL is also pretty good.

What happened to this guy. His and Bennett's lack of development for the flames was some of the most frustrating #### ever as a fan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

18-19 he had 32 points playing as 3 or 4C. I think that was a great season for him. 56 in 64g as a 21 year old 1 C in the AHL is also pretty good.

What happened to this guy. His and Bennett's lack of development for the flames was some of the most frustrating #### ever as a fan.

It’s not like it was only the Flames where this guy failed. Though I suppose you could blame the Flames for where he was drafted (which set him up to fail). He should have been a second rounder, carved out a career as a middle six defensive skater and had some success.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s not like it was only the Flames where this guy failed. Though I suppose you could blame the Flames for where he was drafted (which set him up to fail). He should have been a second rounder, carved out a career as a middle six defensive skater and had some success.

I wasn't trying to blame the flames. In fact, in both scenarios I think the blame lies squarely with the players, who were both given solid opportunities here but did nothing. Bennett is more frustrating because he seems to be playing just differently in Florida. Like he did in the playoffs but all the time. Annoying as F as a fan. 1 additional productive play driving top 6 centre is what we have lacked for years, and both of these guys could have been it.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

18-19 he had 32 points playing as 3 or 4C. I think that was a great season for him. 56 in 64g as a 21 year old 1 C in the AHL is also pretty good.

What happened to this guy. His and Bennett's lack of development for the flames was some of the most frustrating #### ever as a fan.

Lack of intensity is the biggest factor.

In the playoffs with his career on the line he was still basically playing like a guy who just signed an 8x8 extension in terms of effort

At league minimum though he actually isn’t a bad option for a 4C if you need a PK guy and don’t care how physical your fourth line is as long as they don’t get scored on

[Classic_Sniper]

Good luck to Janko. He's a decent dude and a decent player who was screwed right from draft day by Feaster and Weisbrod. Getting to play so close to his home town might actually help add some attendance to the Sabres gate, so it's sort of a win-win. Probably his last chance, so I suspect he should be motivated.

[GreenLantern2814]

Jankowksi is the exact sort of player I’d expect to have a nice back half of his career in Europe.

Sign for $350k in the Swiss league, travel 90 minutes to all the road games, no pressure, play in those cool wooden arenas, and add an extra $1.5-2M to his career earnings that are already over $5M.

Not a bad life.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

On his contract so far, despite his recent troubles, Monahan has scored 126 goals and 290 points, which is more than triple Jankowski's career totals to date. Both contracts are overpayments at this point, but Monahan at least delivered on the first half of his.

I assume that it was meant starting today.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I assume that it was meant starting today.

Yeah, but that's not a fair way to judge a contract. It's not how players or GMs look at the value of a contract. I mean, to use an extreme example, if Crosby never scores another goal over the next three years, I bet the Pens think his contract was good.

[Boreal]

Good for Mark. He grew up a big Sabres fan so I wish him all the best.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, but that's not a fair way to judge a contract. It's not how players or GMs look at the value of a contract. I mean, to use an extreme example, if Crosby never scores another goal over the next three years, I bet the Pens think his contract was good.

No one was looking to compare the contracts over a lifetime.

Someone made a simple comment that today they would rather have Janko and his contract than Monny and his contract. Meaning they would be happy to just give Monny away if they could find someone to take his contract.

If Crosby doesn't score another goal over the next 3 years, I bet the Penguins would be happy if that contract no longer existed going forward.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Jankowksi is the exact sort of player I’d expect to have a nice back half of his career in Europe.

Sign for $350k in the Swiss league, travel 90 minutes to all the road games, no pressure, play in those cool wooden arenas, and add an extra $1.5-2M to his career earnings that are already over $5M.

Not a bad life.

I never understood why more players who are on the bubble or stuck in the AHL don't do that route. The money is really good, getting paid in Euro's with the teams paying taxes. A nice apartment paid for and a newer European car usually and your golden.

The cities are better, the women are better, the food is better, the life is better. Some guy's just can't give up The Show dream and bus it around awful cities, eating Subway.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No one was looking to compare the contracts over a lifetime.

Someone made a simple comment that today they would rather have Janko and his contract than Monny and his contract. Meaning they would be happy to just give Monny away if they could find someone to take his contract.

If Crosby doesn't score another goal over the next 3 years, I bet the Penguins would be happy if that contract no longer existed going forward.

That's the only way to compare a contract. Is it a good value for the lifepan of the contract? Would Calgary like to renegotiate Monahan's today? Sure. Would they have 3 years ago? Not likely.

I'd like to have Lucas Raymond on his contract versus Monahan starting today, too.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's the only way to compare a contract. Is it a good value for the lifepan of the contract? Would Calgary like to renegotiate Monahan's today? Sure. Would they have 3 years ago? Not likely.

I'd like to have Lucas Raymond on his contract versus Monahan starting today, too.

That's a very strange statement to make when you then go on and compare it to other contracts based on future value.

There are many, many ways to compare a contract.

You can base on the value that was given in the past. You can look at the value it is giving today. And you can look at what you are guessing to be future value.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That's a very strange statement to make when you then go on and compare it to other contracts based on future value.

There are many, many ways to compare a contract.

You can base on the value that was given in the past. You can look at the value it is giving today. And you can look at what you are guessing to be future value.

No, you really can't do that, because the only time when a contract can be signed is - when it was signed. That's why term is always an issue. You have to look at the contract as a whole. Look at Gio's. Was he worth almost $7M when he left? No. But that was the only way to get the number where it was for the entire term. And he was great value for the majority.

My "comparison" was to show how it doesn't work just to look at a go forward number. Because it ignores the conditions under which a contract is signed.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What was it Feaster said again about ten years?

Career’s not over yet; it’s not too late to attain that target.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Why does every thread turn into a Jankowski thread?

Cuz it's something different than the Legend of Sam Bennett thread?