Let's talk about: Oliver Kylington

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Here is my JoeFresh card.

Tanev 3 goals 71 games on the Flames
Brodie 1 goal 72 games on the Leafs.

Because goals from point shots have nothing to do with sheer luck lol. I'm sure you think Zadorov is the second coming of Evgeni Malkin with that logic.

Brodie* every 2nd gaffe he gave up as a Flame ended up in our net.

That says more about our past goaltenders than it says about Brodie.

If Brodie is the best dman on the Leafs, holy hell are they in for a world of hurt this year.

A team with 21 pts in 16 games, who won their division last year, probably isn't too concerned with what you think.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Here is my JoeFresh card.

Tanev 3 goals 71 games on the Flames 32% discount on regularly priced items.
Brodie 1 goal 72 games on the Leafs. 28% discount on regularly priced items.
Brodie* every 2nd gaffe he gave up as a Flame ended up in our net.

If Brodie is the best dman on the Leafs, holy hell are they in for a world of hurt this year.

I suppose one might also argue that if Chris Tanev is our best defenseman, we're not winning #### either.

[Johnny Makarov]

Ok enough of this kyit about Brodie.

Kylington needs 1st unit PP time. Andersson has the better shot but they don't even use his shot on the PP. He has 0 goals this year. Also if Oliver does mess up at the point he has enough speed to get back defensively.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Defensemen like Brodie age like fine wine. In four years I expect Brodie to still be effective, and I'm not sure Hanifin will be any better than he already is. In fact I expect Valimaki to overtake Hanifin within that time.

Brodie was 24 before be played his first full season in the NHL. Hanifin is 24 now. Saying that Hanifin won't develop any further is just silly.

Brodie gets a lot of love, for good reason. But I won't forget that he is the old guard in a flock of players who could never get anything done in the playoffs.

Brodie is a fine player, and I am glad he is doing well, but he is not the guy who is going to move the Flames from being a first round out to a contender.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Ok enough of this kyit about Brodie.

Kylington needs 1st unit PP time. Andersson has the better shot but they don't even use his shot on the PP. He has 0 goals this year. Also if Oliver does mess up at the point he has enough speed to get back defensively.

I think Rasmus actually has a worse wrist shot than Kylington and is definitely an inferior puck carrier

One timer - Rasmus is better but one timers from the point are almost obsolete as a useful powerplay tool at this point. The Sheldon Souray days are long gone

[dino7c]

Flames must have won 4-0

Grasping at straws for something negative

Gio and Brodie were great

38 year old 6.7M Gio is not great
4.5M Tanev >5M Brodie

Flames did what they had to do


Kylington is playing awesome, I thought that is what the thread was about. Hopefully they sign him to a decent contact

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I dunno what you're "Holy Christ"-ing about. 97% Tanev vs 94% Brodie is a little different than 87% Brodie vs 76% Tanev.

I'm Holy Christing the notion that Brodie is anything less than a quality top-pairing defender.

He doesn't play here anymore, Tanev does. Great.

Brodie was awesome when he was here, and he's the exact same awesome player for the Leafs.

The way most Canuck fans feel about Tanev is the way you all should be feeling about Brodie, because my overall point really is that they're both high quality.

Tanev isn't "MUCH BETTER" than Brodie. He's arguably better at certain things, and demonstrably worse at others.

He's what he need him to be, and Brodie is what Toronto needs him to be.

It's fine.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I suppose one might also argue that if Chris Tanev is our best defenseman, we're not winning #### either.

He isn't. The guy who we are posting in this thread is.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Ok enough of this kyit about Brodie.

Kylington needs 1st unit PP time. Andersson has the better shot but they don't even use his shot on the PP. He has 0 goals this year. Also if Oliver does mess up at the point he has enough speed to get back defensively.

They definitely need to take Hanifin off the power play and have Kylington and Andersson be the quarterbacks for each unit.

Hanifin has the 6th most points by a dman on our team, why the hell is he still getting force-fed these PP mins?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think Rasmus actually has a worse wrist shot than Kylington and is definitely an inferior puck carrier

One timer - Rasmus is better but one timers from the point are almost obsolete as a useful powerplay tool at this point. The Sheldon Souray days are long gone

Yes, i meant his slapshot.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'm Holy Christing the notion that Brodie is anything less than a quality top-pairing defender.

He doesn't play here anymore, Tanev does. Great.

Brodie was awesome when he was here, and he's the exact same awesome player for the Leafs.

The way most Canuck fans feel about Tanev is the way you all should be feeling about Brodie, because my overall point really is that they're both high quality.

Tanev isn't "MUCH BETTER" than Brodie. He's arguably better at certain things, and demonstrably worse at others.

He's what he need him to be, and Brodie is what Toronto needs him to be.

It's fine.

This one is a pretty easy argument. It was always one or the other on the Flames.

If you do a poll on here who would you rather have, Brodie or Tanev, I'm thinking you would get a 80/20 split for Tanev.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Brodie was 24 before be played his first full season in the NHL. Hanifin is 24 now. Saying that Hanifin won't develop any further is just silly.

Everyone has a different trajectory.

Some guys peak early... Olli Maatta, Rasmus Ristolainen, and then when their warts become evident they don't correct them.

Some guys peak right through their numerican prime... PK Subban, Erik Karlsson, etc.

Some guys peak later... Burns, Lidstrom, Giordano, etc... it looks like Kylington could be joining that group although I think part of that is artificial due to the Flames' misuse the last 2 and a half years.

Some guys plateau for most of their career. I just think Hanifin has plateaued. He had a solid year for us in 2018-19 which his first year in a top 4 role. He's had some lower points (2019-20) and higher points (2020-21l) since then but overall the player he is, I don't see a whole lot changing. Dougie Hamilton's another I feel the same way about. It's just what my eyes tell me about Hanifin. He's a good player, a top 4 defenseman... but I doubt he'll be an impact player the way Brodie was. Some of that is just innate, and I think Brodie had it even when he was playing for Troy G Ward in the AHL.

Brodie gets a lot of love, for good reason. But I won't forget that he is the old guard in a flock of players who could never get anything done in the playoffs.

Brodie is the ONE player from that former core, other than thr obvious Sam Bennett, you cannot pin the blame on. Those two showed up in EVERY Flames playoff. Even when Peters was arbitrarily demoting Brodie from the top pair in 2019 - it was the coach being flatout wrong. About the worst thing you can say about Brodie is that he couldn't singlehandedly shutdown Getzlaf/Perry or MacKinnon/Rantanen, because the support he got - whether Engelland or Stone or Giordano or the forwards - were outmatched.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He isn't. The guy who we are posting in this thread is.

We'll see.

It would be great if he is.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'm Holy Christing the notion that Brodie is anything less than a quality top-pairing defender.

He doesn't play here anymore, Tanev does. Great.

Brodie was awesome when he was here, and he's the exact same awesome player for the Leafs.

The way most Canuck fans feel about Tanev is the way you all should be feeling about Brodie, because my overall point really is that they're both high quality.

Tanev isn't "MUCH BETTER" than Brodie. He's arguably better at certain things, and demonstrably worse at others.

He's what he need him to be, and Brodie is what Toronto needs him to be.

It's fine.

Well he turned the Kylington thread into the one that got away thread and you backed him up with cherry picked numbers. Shouldn't be surprised about the pushback.


Why even talk about Brodie in here? Gio? Players not on the team are hardly relevant to Kylington moving forward.

Tanev is Kylington's partner and it seems to be working well

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well he turned the Kylington thread into the one that got away thread and you backed him up with cherry picked numbers. Shouldn't be surprised about the pushback.


Why even talk about Brodie in here? Gio? Players not on the team are hardly relevant to Kylington moving forward.

Tanev is Kylington's partner and it seems to be working well

It's almost like it's a discussion forum.

Kylington should be on PP1. Four guys will have an awful tough time accounting for both he and Johnny being able to bring the puck up ice with speed.

Oliver's toolbox >>> Rasmus', for me. Andersson's slapshot might be a bit heavier, but if Brodie could shoot like Kylington, he'd be making $9M.

Keep Hanifin and Andersson together on the second unit, and then Tanev/Kylington can come back out when the PP expires.

[dino7c]

Well it wasn't relevant to the thread but whatever...some people always need something negative

Flames have 5 shutouts in 15 games...I would say the D and goaltending are looking pretty rock solid.

Tanev allows Kylington to play his game they are a perfect pair. Kylington will get more PP time soon, I think Darryl is managing his minutes though. Too many minutes could equal more gaffs, you don't want to derail anything.

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

They definitely need to take Hanifin off the power play and have Kylington and Andersson be the quarterbacks for each unit.

Hanifin has the 6th most points by a dman on our team, why the hell is he still getting force-fed these PP mins?

Kylington definitely needs to be given a chance, Andersson wants to be the offensive guy, but his skating leaves lots to be desired, has a good shot but not great shot. Hanifin has the tools, great skater like Kylington, but just doesn't seem to have the instincts, maybe the Flames ruined his offense, the last season in Carolina, he had 11 goals and over 30 points, with PP time, I have seen some of the recent games where he does make a nice play to his teammates, but they end up wasting the shot or chance.

[SuperMatt18]

Part of me wants to see if Kylington can carry his own pair now, he's been that good this year so far.

In order for this team to take another step we need Valimaki to be the guy he looked like in Finland last year, and I wonder if Tanev could help unlock that. Don't think it's a coincidence that Hanifin, and now Kylington both seemed to take a step with Tanev (and Hughes before that in Vancouver).

Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev
Kylington-Gudbranson

[Gaskal]

Would personally rather have a precision wrister on the PP rather than a point bomb as the latter is much harder to get off let alone get it through on net and creates a whole mess of other problems should it not find its mark.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Part of me wants to see if Kylington can carry his own pair now, he's been that good this year so far.

please no

This is like when Phaneuf-Harmlik were such an effective pair and we proceeded to think Phaneuf could do just as well with Regehr.

Or when Brodie had his best year with Gio despite Giordano being slightly off in 2015-16 and the next year Gulutzan stapled Wideman to him to give us a top 4.

Or the next year when everyone could tell Brodie-Hamonic were not working but Gulutzan refused to bring back Gio-Brodie or even Brodie-Stone

Or like that time Bennett was thriving centering Gaudreau and Frolik so Hartley put him with Granlund and Hudler to give us a third line.

Don't touch a good thing. Just leave it the #### alone.