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Jay Random · 11-10-2021, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

I would want a nice sweetener to take on that Toews deal.

To CGY: Jonathan Toews + 2 AHLers + 1st

To Chi: Milan Lucic + Zadorov+ Pitlick

It would have to be the 2024 1st, because Chicago has both the '22 and '23 tied up in the conditions of the Seth Jones trade.

Nice idea, though.

Ullr · 11-10-2021, 12:19 PM

No chance in hell the Flames are considering an offer for Toews after the recent Aldrich allegations and news. Not the quality of a Captain you want coming to the Flames.

activeStick · 11-10-2021, 12:28 PM

Big no to Toews. Not the player he used to be anymore.

Geeoff · 11-10-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

It would have to be the 2024 1st, because Chicago has both the '22 and '23 tied up in the conditions of the Seth Jones trade.

Nice idea, though.

Maybe replace the 1st with an equivalent prospect? I don't think they would hand us Lukas Reichel to get rid of the Toews deal but I don't have any other name in mind, since I don't know much about Chicago's pool.

ForeverFlameFan · 11-10-2021, 12:29 PM

Not now. If you want him in 2 years maybe. He will be only 20% of the cost of what he currently makes.

zimzimma · 11-10-2021, 12:31 PM

Personally I would rather try for Kane then Toews. Brings a lot more fire power which is needed on the right side. Cap still scares me though.

1qqaaz · 11-10-2021, 12:52 PM

It's interesting how much better Kane has aged than Toews.
It shouldn't be surprising that Gaudreau is aging a lot better than Monahan.

Yoho · 11-10-2021, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

I would want a nice sweetener to take on that Toews deal.

To CGY: Jonathan Toews + 2 AHLers + 1st

To Chi: Milan Lucic + Zadorov+ Pitlick

I love how terrible that trade is for Chicago.

The Cobra · 11-10-2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

I would want a nice sweetener to take on that Toews deal.

To CGY: Jonathan Toews + 2 AHLers + 1st

To Chi: Milan Lucic + Zadorov+ Pitlick

Why does Chicago do this LOL? They don't need the cap room. They don't need two plugs. And they certainly don't want to give up another first round pick. And they give up a valuable player, albeit overpaid.

The Cobra · 11-10-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's interesting how much better Kane has aged than Toews.
It shouldn't be surprising that Gaudreau is aging a lot better than Monahan.

Other than Toews' missed season last year, he's been playing fine. Not Kane fine, but he didn't fall off a cliff.

Monny's problem is injuries, not general aging.

1qqaaz · 11-10-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Other than Toews' missed season last year, he's been playing fine. Not Kane fine, but he didn't fall off a cliff.

Monny's problem is injuries, not general aging.

I think injuries are closely related to aging and play style.

I also think Monahan will rebound at some point, he'll have his ups and downs, but at the end of the day, Gaudreau will age much better.

The Cobra · 11-10-2021, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think injuries are closely related to aging and play style.

I also think Monahan will rebound at some point, he'll have his ups and downs, but at the end of the day, Gaudreau will age much better.

Yeah, I think that ship has sailed.

Toews always played the tough minutes, going head to head with the other teams best players. Kane always got softer matchups, as it was a better use of their skill sets.

Monny has generally played with Johnny though, as it was Backlund who got the tougher minutes. Toews did not fall off the cliff like Monny seemingly has, and certainly not at that age.

mile · 11-10-2021, 01:56 PM

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Leeman4Gilmour · 11-10-2021, 02:01 PM

Even with salary retained, it makes it much more challenging to sign both Gaudreau and Tkachuk if Calgary brought in Toews. Not sure Toews is worth either one of those two at this point in his career which would be the ultimate cost.

Monahammer · 11-10-2021, 02:01 PM

I would much rather have Lucic on the roster than Toews. Toews has been bad the last two seasons.

I still think the roster could use a tweeking. We have Valimaki as a logical trade chip that can be dangled, potentially Monahan to add if it sweetens the pot rather than salting it.

Monahan+Valimaki+1st 2022 e.g. should be enough to fetch a reasonably good RW.

Yoho · 11-10-2021, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

I would much rather have Lucic on the roster than Toews. Toews has been bad the last two seasons.

I still think the roster could use a tweeking. We have Valimaki as a logical trade chip that can be dangled, potentially Monahan to add if it sweetens the pot rather than salting it.

Monahan+Valimaki+1st 2022 e.g. should be enough to fetch a reasonably good RW.

How far has Monahan's stock slipped if that's what it takes to get a "reasonably good RW"?

Vinny01 · 11-10-2021, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

I would much rather have Lucic on the roster than Toews. Toews has been bad the last two seasons.

I still think the roster could use a tweeking. We have Valimaki as a logical trade chip that can be dangled, potentially Monahan to add if it sweetens the pot rather than salting it.

Monahan+Valimaki+1st 2022 e.g. should be enough to fetch a reasonably good RW.

Toews had 60pts in 70 games in his last season. Are you saying last 2 by talking about the year he missed and his 14 game sample size from this year?

He had 60 in 70 in 19-20 and 81 in 82 games the year before.

The guy does turn 34 before the playoffs start and won’t be getting any better. If he was a pending UFA I wouldn’t be opposed to his playoff winning ways joining the team but not with a year left and 3 massive extensions the Flames need to worry about.

I also think this team really needs to pump the breaks over your proposed Monahan+Valimaki+1st offer. While I think a right shot winger would help I am against sending futures for a winger when this team already has 3 wingers to sign and a questionable lineup up the middle.

Monahammer · 11-10-2021, 02:13 PM

TBF I am talking like Filip Forsberg, though I do think it is reasonable to assume Monahan's trade value has slipped over the last two seasons.

BlindMilwaukee · 11-10-2021, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

How far has Monahan's stock slipped if that's what it takes to get a "reasonably good RW"?

Is the appetite still there for Laine?

Monahammer · 11-10-2021, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Toews had 60pts in 70 games in his last season. Are you saying last 2 by talking about the year he missed and his 14 game sample size from this year?

He had 60 in 70 in 19-20 and 81 in 82 games the year before.

The guy does turn 34 before the playoffs start and won’t be getting any better. If he was a pending UFA I wouldn’t be opposed to his playoff winning ways joining the team but not with a year left and 3 massive extensions the Flames need to worry about.

I also think this team really needs to pump the breaks over your proposed Monahan+Valimaki+1st offer. While I think a right shot winger would help I am against sending futures for a winger when this team already has 3 wingers to sign and a questionable lineup up the middle.

I meant from a leadership/human perspective. Not to mention contract. With Lucic producing at an excellent rate this season, and having had playoff success, I would choose him over Toews.

Right shot wingers are something the team has almost none of. We have a huge abundance of LW, something Monahan may actually be better suited for too. Also, we have Lewis and Richardson capable of playing centre, and Ruzicka who is playing well again in the AHL and will deserve a shot soon (may already tbh.)