Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Heavy Jack]

8 x 9.125 for both and call it a day. Both are turning out to be significant cogs and this team can’t afford to take a loss on them through trading from a position of weakness and they for sure can’t afford to lose them for nothing.

[TheIronMaiden]

I would be a little anxious to sign JG to an 8 year deal. I think that 6 would be ideal even if that meant he would need to be paid 10M AAV. Tkachuck is a different story.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

$10m seems steep to me. 13 players have that kind of cap hit now. Would seem a bit much to get either guy to that level.

You are correct, but if that is what they want to stay in Calgary, do you let him walk (in Johnny's case), and presumably trade him after the season (in Tkachuk's case)?

Players and teams don't always agree on value, or even if they do, players and agents may have different price points based on location and taxes.

[Vinny01]

Realistic deals I would love to see get done

Johnny 9x8
Tkachuk 9.5x8

I would love to max out the term on both these deals (I mean I would be happy with 6 year term on both deals as well but realistically they will need to go term to get it done).

I think Tkachuk will cost more because he will be 24-25 in year one and Johnny will be 29 in year 1.

I am not a fan about giving left shot wingers the biggest contracts on the team but these are the best 2 players on the roster so likely needs to happen

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I would be a little anxious to sign JG to an 8 year deal. I think that 6 would be ideal even if that meant he would need to be paid 10M AAV. Tkachuck is a different story.

If the Flames don't sign him for 8 years, someone else will. Gaudreau has already taken a hometown discount for us. His next contract will be the one that he cashes in on and rightfully so.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by blankall

If the Flames don't sign him for 8 years, someone else will. Gaudreau has already taken a hometown discount for us. His next contract will be the one that he cashes in on and rightfully so.

Only if traded. UFA's are max 7 year contracts.

[GreenLantern2814]

Panarin was a year younger when he hit UFA - he got $11.66M. His career PPG is slightly higher, 1.09 vs 0.96 for Gaudreau.

In nearly all other respects, their production difference is negligible - Panarin is better on some fronts, Johnny others, but they’re both statistically imperceptible differences - for all intents and purposes, they are they same level player.

8x$10.5M the face of your franchise is more than fair for both sides.

I know I said matching 8x$10M a few pages back, but Tkachuk shouldn’t be making the same as Gaudreau. Without Gaudreau, the entire team gets worse offensively, Including Tkachuk.

Tkachuk will be effective in his early 30s, but I don’t think you want to be paying him franchise money when he’s 35, 36.

Conversely, I think Gaudreau could play until he’s 40. He’s extremely durable given his size and how much he handles the puck. His vision and IQ and edge work are obviously off the charts, and I don’t ever see him being less than a 50 point player, even when his explosiveness fades.

8x$9.5M for Matthew.

Let Monahan and his $6.35M walk/trade him away, and you basically account for the raises to 13 and 19.

So unless both players have indicated they aren’t signing here, there should be no excuse to not get these deals done.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I would be a little anxious to sign JG to an 8 year deal. I think that 6 would be ideal even if that meant he would need to be paid 10M AAV. Tkachuck is a different story.

The choice is likely signing him to an 8 year deal or watching him head south.

There is a reason UFA's get maximum term if they are good. GM's have no choice of they want to play that game.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Locke

This. The players chose to get paid when there was no revenue coming through the door so Escrow is going to be brutal for foreseeable future.

Sure I get that but let’s say at the end of the CBA the revenue is 55% players and 45% owners, what mechanism do the owners have to get the money back from the players to make it 50/50?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

$10m seems steep to me. 13 players have that kind of cap hit now. Would seem a bit much to get either guy to that level.

You are likely correct based on comparables.

But I doubt either player cares about comparables.

They likely want to get paid to forgo UFA.

They have all the leverage in the world, especially Johnny. Is Calgary really prepared to let him walk as a UFA? I doubt that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Sure I get that but let’s say at the end of the CBA the revenue is 55% players and 45% owners, what mechanism do the owners have to get the money back from the players to make it 50/50?

I believe the CBA cannot expire until both parties are made whole, but I'm not a CBA expert or anything.

[activeStick]

I'm pretty confident the Flames will get Gaudreau re-signed. Tkachuk, not so much, despite my belief that the Flames would like to.

[Macman]

You have to wonder about the longer this goes if they will re-sign either. It seems like Tkachuk likes it here and seems happy and Johnny has been playing great. But who knows what's really going on. I'm still optimistic that both will sign here again.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Macman

You have to wonder about the longer this goes if they will re-sign either. It seems like Tkachuk likes it here and seems happy and Johnny has been playing great. But who knows what's really going on. I'm still optimistic that both will sign here again.

If neither guy gets signed then I really struggle to see how Treliving still would have a job.

I feel pretty confident about Johnny staying but Tkachuk I am not sure but I feel like the team is less concerned because there is at least 1 more year of control

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If neither guy gets signed then I really struggle to see how Treliving still would have a job.

I feel pretty confident about Johnny staying but Tkachuk I am not sure but I feel like the team is less concerned because there is at least 1 more year of control

Because the Flames will still be the Calgary Flames. Not sure how not signing two guys who are about to be UFA is on the GM.

That's pretty much on the ownership. If they want those two players bad enough they'll have to pay. Maybe even if they do wanna pay, the players don't wanna stay. Fail to see why the GM would get fired for that. He can't force them to stay and he can't pay them what they want without ownership approval.

Unless you mean if they don't sign AND Treliving doesn't maximize assets for them then you may have a point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You are likely correct based on comparables.

But I doubt either player cares about comparables.

They likely want to get paid to forgo UFA.

They have all the leverage in the world, especially Johnny. Is Calgary really prepared to let him walk as a UFA? I doubt that.

Agents and GMs dwell in the world of comparables though, and so do other GMs. They may want more money elsewhere, but other teams have caps, budgets and other players as well.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Because the Flames will still be the Calgary Flames. Not sure how not signing two guys who are about to be UFA is on the GM.

That's pretty much on the ownership. If they want those two players bad enough they'll have to pay. Maybe even if they do wanna pay, the players don't wanna stay. Fail to see why the GM would get fired for that. He can't force them to stay and he can't pay them what they want without ownership approval.

Unless you mean if they don't sign AND Treliving doesn't maximize assets for them then you may have a point.

I was implying that both walk for nothing therefore we lose both for nothing and that is entirely on Treliving. His job is long term building of this franchise and if he lets his top 2 players walk because he didn’t want to pay them or they don’t want to stay he should have been ahead of that.

Treliving has put himself in the position to lose Johnny for nothing this summer. Personally I wanted the deal done prior to his NTC kicking in but he allowed the player get the leverage. He also signed Tkachuk to a contract that will allow him to potentially walk for nothing in a year. All the leverage belongs to Tkachuk who we know will use it.

How you can’t see that being on the GM I do not understand?

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Because the Flames will still be the Calgary Flames. Not sure how not signing two guys who are about to be UFA is on the GM.

That's pretty much on the ownership. If they want those two players bad enough they'll have to pay. Maybe even if they do wanna pay, the players don't wanna stay. Fail to see why the GM would get fired for that. He can't force them to stay and he can't pay them what they want without ownership approval.

Unless you mean if they don't sign AND Treliving doesn't maximize assets for them then you may have a point.

LOL.
Who else could it be on but the GM.
Ownership gives you a budget....as the GM you assemble a team that fits within that budget.

The concern is the GM has a habit of letting talented players walk and getting nothing in return.....Brodie and Gio come to mind.

This is the GM's job to get these 2 players signed or trade them for assets.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Cobra

LOL.
Who else could it be on but the GM.
Ownership gives you a budget....as the GM you assemble a team that fits within that budget.

The concern is the GM has a habit of letting talented players walk and getting nothing in return.....Brodie and Gio come to mind.

This is the GM's job to get these 2 players signed or trade them for assets.

With Brodie- did you expect the Flames to trade him away at the deadline? As they were pushing for playoffs? He was replaced by Tanev in the off season for free anyways who is a better and cheaper defenseman.

Every single team in the league lost a player to expansion. Yes Gio was the captain, but if you’re going to lose somebody a 38 year old is okay.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by bax

With Brodie- did you expect the Flames to trade him away at the deadline? As they were pushing for playoffs? He was replaced by Tanev in the off season for free anyways who is a better and cheaper defenseman.

Every single team in the league lost a player to expansion. Yes Gio was the captain, but if you’re going to lose somebody a 38 year old is okay.

You did not respond to the top part of the post?

With Brodie he should have dealt with his contract situation in the summer. If he is not in your plans then move on and get some assets. A talented player like Brodie should have gotten you something good.

Waited too long and then the Flames were chasing a playoff spot so no trade.

Same thing with Johnny.
Should have dealt with him this summer.
If you are in the hunt for the playoffs this year at the trade deadline then according to you cannot trade him.

Tre gets second place in most trades.
Hate for him to lose Johhny in Free Agency as our offer will just miss out.

Do you want to potentially lose Johnny in Free Agency?