11-09-2021, 01:53 AM
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#381
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I'm one of the fans that was pretty down on this franchise the last couple of years. They were such a disappointing team to be a fan of.
But the way they've started this season going 7-1-3 and looking dominant doing it most of the time, I can't imagine digging up things to bitch about at the moment. I just hope they keep it going and don't fizzle out.
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11-09-2021, 08:20 AM
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#382
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by driveway
Some more context about Markstrom from JFresh, who's stats seem to have started much of this conversation.
Markstrom is playing extremely well AND is in a situation where he has a light workload:
His workload has been so light, in fact that he's dropped well out of the top-10 in goals saved above expected since Halloween, despite posting that shutout against the Rags.
What, then to make of Markstrom (and the Flames') success? In a nutshell: we're kicking hellacious ass.
5v5 Expected Goals For vs. Against - November 7
5v5 Shot Attempts for vs. Against - November 7
5v5 Goals For vs. Goals Against - November 7
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What does "Everything is Happening" mean in this context?
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11-09-2021, 08:25 AM
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#383
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^ High event hockey on both sides (consider the context of which data set)
Also the third and fourth charts do not reflect goaltending results, they reflect the situation the goalie is put in
Last edited by DeluxeMoustache; 11-09-2021 at 08:29 AM.
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11-09-2021, 08:54 AM
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#384
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Quality start works better to me if you exclude overtime. No idea if that changes the end results, but Markstrom's given up 3 OT goals when save percentages are much lower.
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I did my own work here.
If you take out overtime - Markstrom adds an extra quality start (Anaheim - save percentage from 889 to 917 - 912 average)
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11-09-2021, 01:57 PM
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#385
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
I did my own work here.
If you take out overtime - Markstrom adds an extra quality start (Anaheim - save percentage from 889 to 917 - 912 average)
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In other words, one shot, 3 on 3, has meaningful impact on the stat in question. In other words, tiny sample size.
GranteedEv is trying to defend their original position, and searched for - and found - a stat that supports their argument. Or more precisely, they believe supports their argument.
But pretty much every other stat says differently.
Stats are great when used properly, but shouldn't be cherry-picked to fit a narrative.
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11-09-2021, 02:04 PM
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#386
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I'm one of the fans that was pretty down on this franchise the last couple of years. They were such a disappointing team to be a fan of.
But the way they've started this season going 7-1-3 and looking dominant doing it most of the time, I can't imagine digging up things to bitch about at the moment. I just hope they keep it going and don't fizzle out.
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I was one of those guys too.
But somehow this feels different. It would be one thing to say they've recaptured the magic of the first half of the first year with Bill Peters (let's not even talk about the second half of that year or any of the folowing years).
I think more importantly, they just look more mature -- they're starting out-front this year and legitimately dominating teams instead of finding a way to eek out points. They look comfortable in tight games and not so easily rattled. And the biggest ace up their sleeves this year is Sutter -- I have the utmost confidence that he won't let things slip too far when the games matter in the back-half of the schedule. He's got the team focused on the prize that matters, not regular season accolades.
They might dip a bit, and who knows how they'll hold up against legic star power in the playoffs, but I think these guys are for real.
Last edited by Flames0910; 11-09-2021 at 02:09 PM.
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11-09-2021, 02:11 PM
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#387
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
In other words, one shot, 3 on 3, has meaningful impact on the stat in question. In other words, tiny sample size.
GranteedEv is trying to defend their original position, and searched for - and found - a stat that supports their argument. Or more precisely, they believe supports their argument.
But pretty much every other stat says differently.
Stats are great when used properly, but shouldn't be cherry-picked to fit a narrative.
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I will say Markstrom has awful OT stats this year. 3 goals against, 2 saves.
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11-09-2021, 02:34 PM
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#388
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
I will say Markstrom has awful OT stats this year. 3 goals against, 2 saves.
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There is no defending his OT record so far this year. Small sample size, but off to a terrible start.
I look at it like shooting percentage - it will normalize.
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11-09-2021, 02:48 PM
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#389
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Is there available data about League shot/save averages for goalies in OT? I am interested to know just how bad Markstrom has been.
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11-09-2021, 03:05 PM
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#390
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
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Is there available data about League shot/save averages for goalies in OT? I am interested to know just how bad Markstrom has been.
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I suspect the shot amount versus quality differential makes that stat pretty unenlightening. I could imagine one shot which was a breakaway going in versus 5 which were an initial shot plus a bunch of banging short side which were all saves. And there’s few enough OTs to skew everything.
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11-18-2021, 07:40 PM
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#391
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Five shutouts!
FIVE!!
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11-18-2021, 07:41 PM
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#392
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Five shutouts!
FIVE!!
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11-18-2021, 08:03 PM
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#393
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Franchise Player
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Markstrom sure would have been a nice late pickup in the pool. Shutout machine.
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11-18-2021, 09:01 PM
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#394
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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I don't know if it has been pointed out before, but the only goalies with more than one shutout are either named Ilya or some form of Jack/Jake/Jacob.
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11-18-2021, 10:54 PM
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#396
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Flawless execution of a really easy job tonight
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Oh come on give him some credit. He made some really good saves.
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11-18-2021, 11:00 PM
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#397
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Oh come on give him some credit. He made some really good saves.
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He literally opened with “flawless execution”.
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11-18-2021, 11:11 PM
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#398
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Five shutouts!
FIVE!!
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Getting the egg in 38% of starts.
Unreal.
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11-18-2021, 11:34 PM
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#399
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Markstrom now:
1st in Shutouts
2nd in GAA
2nd in Sv%
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11-18-2021, 11:40 PM
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#400
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
He literally opened with “flawless execution”.
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"Really easy job tonight" he knows exactly what he was doing.
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