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pseudoreality · 11-05-2021, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Macindoc

That was before they had LTIR, if I remember correctly. But you could easily fix this by saying that any player on LTIR on or after the TDL is ineligible to play for the team in the playoffs, just like anyone who is traded after the TDL. Or just don’t allow any team to dress a lineup in any playoff game whose combined AAVs exceed the cap.

I like the idea of having any player on LTIR after the trade deadline not eligible to play for the rest of the year and playoffs. You can still put him on the IR, but you don't get cap relief.

I'm not opposed to luxury tax too, but it needs to be progressive and very punitive. Say 25% after you hit the mid-point, 50% once you get halfway to the current cap, 100% after the cap, 125% first 10% over the cap, 150% after 20% over the cap, etc. Revenue from the luxury tax goes into a reverse escrow shared by the players and teams.

Ped · 11-05-2021, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pseudoreality

I like the idea of having any player on LTIR after the trade deadline not eligible to play for the rest of the year and playoffs. You can still put him on the IR, but you don't get cap relief.

If you're not allowed to use the player, why on earth wouldn't you still get cap relief?

GioforPM · 11-05-2021, 04:19 PM

I still think just having a cap for the bench plus maybe one more body would do. Teams wouldn’t have to worry that they shouldn’t put a guy on LTIR and replace him because he might not be ready before the POs. But that way they couldn’t plan for that as much and in any event couldn’t over-benefit. TB would have had to use lower cost depth guys to use Kucherov.

Jay Random · 11-05-2021, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ped

If you're not allowed to use the player, why on earth wouldn't you still get cap relief?

I think pseudoreality meant either/or. If you want a player to be eligible, put him on regular IR with no cap relief. If he's done for the season, put him on LTIR but he is ineligible after that point.

Reign of Fire · 11-05-2021, 10:47 PM

It's simple, if a player isn't off LTIR before last game of season, they should be ineligible for playoffs. If team wants them in the playoffs, good luck becoming cap compliant before playoffs.

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flamesgod · 11-05-2021, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

At any point in the off-season a team can only be 10% over the cap...

Why not make playoff rosters the same as off-season rules.

I think when it comes to playoffs, the roster that is dressed on game day, should be under the cap.

memphusk · 11-05-2021, 10:58 PM

Don't Change anything about it. Let it buck.

djsFlames · 11-05-2021, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

No, but in the playoffs the combined AAV of players should have to be cap compliant

This.

mrkajz44 · 11-05-2021, 11:44 PM

The only problem with requiring teams to be cap compliant in the playoffs is some teams "make space" earlier in the year by being below the cap and then "use up" that space after a trade later in the year pushes then over the cap. That would somehow need to be factored in.

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FlamesAddiction · 11-06-2021, 12:18 AM

I like the idea of making it so the bench at least has to be cap compliant and allowing teams to scratch players to make it so. I don't think it is fair to a player to have to go on waivers if they were acquired as an injury replacement. It's not their fault that they were acquired to fill in for an injury.

GioforPM · 11-06-2021, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I like the idea of making it so the bench at least has to be cap compliant and allowing teams to scratch players to make it so. I don't think it is fair to a player to have to go on waivers if they were acquired as an injury replacement. It's not their fault that they were acquired to fill in for an injury.

This is what I was suggesting. You can bring on replacement players all you want. But in the POs when your guys are healthy, you can’t ice a team $10M over the cap. You have to scratch guys. TB would have had to lose some fairly significant players that they signed knowing Kucherov would be gone all year. Vegas can’t count on Stone, Patches, Karlsson and Eichel returning together.

gvitaly · 11-06-2021, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

This is what I was suggesting. You can bring on replacement players all you want. But in the POs when your guys are healthy, you can’t ice a team $10M over the cap. You have to scratch guys. TB would have had to lose some fairly significant players that they signed knowing Kucherov would be gone all year. Vegas can’t count on Stone, Patches, Karlsson and Eichel returning together.

Yeah that’s a good way to go about it. Perhaps even allow the on-ice lineup to be ~$2M above the cap, just so teams could still try and get an edge at the trade deadline.

GioforPM · 11-06-2021, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah that’s a good way to go about it. Perhaps even allow the on-ice lineup to be ~$2M above the cap, just so teams could still try and get an edge at the trade deadline.

Just having then cap “on ice” probably does it because of course that’s less than your full roster anyway.

That said, I don’t really care about making an exciting TDL.

Enoch Root · 11-06-2021, 06:21 PM

No, there does not need to be a cap on LTIR. On the contrary, I think it works perfectly (during the season).

The problem is that it doesn't apply for the playoffs. I think if the rules remained for the entire season, and the playoffs, everything would be great.

dissentowner · 11-06-2021, 06:29 PM

I think you have to have played in x amount of regular season games to qualify for playoffs. I would say 50 is a fair number.

GreenLantern2814 · 11-06-2021, 06:31 PM

You shouldn’t be able to do what the Knights just did.

That’s some bull####.

Bend it like Bourgeois · 11-06-2021, 08:14 PM

I don’t see an issue.

From memory there was no concern until Kucherov. it was a shortened, screwy season. To repeat that you’d need a star player the team knows is out for the year in October, who sits until May. How many times has that happened? Maybe Mario?

Eichel is different. For him to play this year Vegas likely has to dump Reilly and McNabb. Unless he sits until playoffs.

Are we worried teams will start slow playing star players surgeries to line them all up for the playoffs? I don’t see it.

Jay Random · 11-06-2021, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Are we worried teams will start slow playing star players surgeries to line them all up for the playoffs? I don’t see it.

That is exactly what some people seem to be worried about. Some are even imagining that teams will make up injuries so they can keep their stars off the roster all season long and reactivate them for the playoffs. I can't imagine any NHLer worth having on a team consenting to that. All these guys want to play.

powderjunkie · 11-07-2021, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think you have to have played in x amount of regular season games to qualify for playoffs. I would say 50 is a fair number.

That wouldn't be great for player health...they don't really need another reason to "push through" certain injuries.

But, players should have to count against the cap for x amount of games to be playoff eligible.

The Cobra · 11-08-2021, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You shouldn’t be able to do what the Knights just did.

That’s some bull####.

What, put an injured player on LTIR? He’s the very definition of an injured player.

What do you think the Flames would have done if they had traded for him LOL?

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