Should there be a cap on LTIR?

[edslunch]

Then there’s the rule that you can’t use LTIR late in the season or something like that. Weren’t the Flames forced to play short handed because they couldn’t replace injured players?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Then there’s the rule that you can’t use LTIR late in the season or something like that. Weren’t the Flames forced to play short handed because they couldn’t replace injured players?

That was before they had LTIR, if I remember correctly. But you could easily fix this by saying that any player on LTIR on or after the TDL is ineligible to play for the team in the playoffs, just like anyone who is traded after the TDL. Or just don’t allow any team to dress a lineup in any playoff game whose combined AAVs exceed the cap.

[jlh2640]

Here’s how you fix that. Teams must be cap complaint even in the playoffs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Here’s how you fix that. Teams must be cap complaint even in the playoffs.

At the very least, the on ice roster should be. So if you had to go over to ice a team by using LTIR, fine. But your bench should be compliant.

[Kipper_3434]

Solution: compliance buyouts next season and a cap limit where the current midpoint is. (As it should have been to begin with) . Final step LTIR cap and buyout. Ltir relief may exceed the cap by 5-8%. If a player is on Ltir for over a full consecutive 82 games, they may agree to a mutual buyout. Not sure on all the numbers yet but the buyout would replace ltiRetirement while allowing teams to stay under the new cap.

[d_phaneuf]

Get rid of the hard cap and move to a luxury tax

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

LTIR is a protection for the players, not the teams.




Players don't get paid in the playoffs, so the combine cap hit of any playoff roster is zero. Pretty much any team that buys at the trade deadline is gonna be way over the cap in terms of AAV, so it would really change the trade deadline

Their AAV still remains even if it isn't in effect for playoffs, im saying make it take effect. I'd much rather have competitive playoffs instead of watching teams sand bag their way to a cup. If a boring trade deadline is a casualty of that, I'm good.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Get rid of the hard cap and move to a luxury tax

Worst idea yet. Baseball is a joke because Of this. Let’s not go back to the 90s

[powderjunkie]

Players should just 'earn' their playoff eligibility by counting against the cap for a certain number of games/days in the regular season (whether they are playing or not).

At the bare minimum it would be the number of days from the TDL to the end of season.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

That was before they had LTIR, if I remember correctly. But you could easily fix this by saying that any player on LTIR on or after the TDL is ineligible to play for the team in the playoffs, just like anyone who is traded after the TDL. Or just don’t allow any team to dress a lineup in any playoff game whose combined AAVs exceed the cap.

They had LTIR then, but the problem was that LTIR means out for a minimum of 10 games, the injuries that season started happening with 8-9 games to go, which means they couldn’t get any LTIR relief.

They had only 4 healthy defenseman up, and with no cap space, had to send forward down so that they could call up sone rookie D, who basically didn’t play much anyway.

They played one game with only 9 forwards dressed.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

They had LTIR then, but the problem was that LTIR means out for a minimum of 10 games, the injuries that season started happening with 8-9 games to go, which means they couldn’t get any LTIR relief.

They had only 4 healthy defenseman up, and with no cap space, had to send forward down so that they could call up sone rookie D, who basically didn’t play much anyway.

They played one game with only 9 forwards dressed.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/box...904100EDM.html

9 forwards dressed, and the defencemen were Aucoin,Leopold, negrin, Pardy, Pelech, and Vandeermeer.

[The Boy Wonder]

At any point in the off-season a team can only be 10% over the cap...

Why not make playoff rosters the same as off-season rules.

[dino7c]

I think they need to adjust it so teams are compliant for the playoffs

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At the very least, the on ice roster should be. So if you had to go over to ice a team by using LTIR, fine. But your bench should be compliant.

This

[Mindtravellee]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Players should just 'earn' their playoff eligibility by counting against the cap for a certain number of games/days in the regular season (whether they are playing or not).

At the bare minimum it would be the number of days from the TDL to the end of season.

I was going to say this (although unsure if you do it playing sports in Canada). Just make a minimum game eligibility. You have the same so you don't drop players back to the AHL, etc. Why not this?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Mindtravellee

I was going to say this (although unsure if you do it playing sports in Canada). Just make a minimum game eligibility. You have the same so you don't drop players back to the AHL, etc. Why not this?

A team might try to dress injured players in games before the playoffs just so they meet the criteria when they recover. It’s an interesting idea though.

I just find that LTIR is often used to give richer teams an advantage the salary cap was supposed to prevent/minimize. We see teams trade for players on LTIR, that they don’t expect to play for them just so they can get under the cap or lose a bad contract.

On the same note, another thing that should be addressed is finding a 3rd team to retain salary on a player during a trade. I think that a team should only be allowed to retain salary on players that played for that team for at least a season. That would still allow teams to move overpaid players or players in bad situations, but reduce the cap circumvention.

[Red_Baron]

Why not make it a sliding scale for the amount of cap relief available from LTIR?
100% for the first $2m
80% for the portion between $2-3.5m
70% for the portion between $3.5-5m
50% for $5-6m
25% for $6-8m
0% over $8m

That way burying a $10m average would give a team $5.25m in cap relief. This would allow them to acquire a decent player but won't allow them to take on another $10m superstar talent.

[The Cobra]

I doubt it will ever change, because both the players and the owners like the system just the way it is. The players like that more money is made available to them, the owners like it because injuries may not necessarily screw their season.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Their AAV still remains even if it isn't in effect for playoffs, im saying make it take effect. I'd much rather have competitive playoffs instead of watching teams sand bag their way to a cup. If a boring trade deadline is a casualty of that, I'm good.

TBH, how many TDL's ever actually live up to the hype anyways.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

No, but in the playoffs the combined AAV of players should have to be cap compliant

I agree with this - There shouldn't be a cap on LTIR. However, the NHL salary cap should apply through the whole season and extended into the playoffs if the team is still playing. Sucks that teams like the Lightnings have been abusing this to circumvent their salary cap issues and then their elite plays magically comes back to help the team win 2 cup in a row. Now, we may see the Golden Knights doing the same frickin thing!