[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[sa226]

If Theodore is truly now in play, my bet is that the upped offer has to with getting Buffalo to retain salary to make it work.

Buffalo could flip Theodore for some pretty decent futures too.

Hell flip Theodore to Calgary for a portion of that package we were going to pay for Eichel.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's a lot different than "swinging for the fences". If all it means to you folks is putting our best offer forward within reason fine. But there's a lot of "pay any price" talk and then when I ask "does that mean XXX?" the response is "no that would be silly". Example: Mangiapane - too much to include?

I'd offer anything that requires any combination of 3-4 of 1sts, 2nds, Dube, Valimaki (yes), Monahan, Zary, Pelletier, Coronato.

As long as we cam make a deal that doesn't require Mangiapane or Hanifin, it is within reason and should be made.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

When did Peyton Krebs become the next Crosby?

Seems to be a bit overrated in my opinion.

I would suggest he's the only prospect within both organizations that has realistic topline upside.

[keenan87]

Good for Vegas. Now, that is a franchise that understands the point of hockey - which is entertainment.

Since they have come into the league, they have done a bunch of winning, amazing atmosphere during their games, and have continued to keep fans excited with transactions. It's refreshing to see this approach because it is unique. Not even Seattle got it.

As for the Flames, it sucks but not surprised. The GM continues to be in love with his players and can't seem to pull the trigger on anyone from his core leaving unless its forced (Bennett, Giordano, Brodie, Hamonic are recent examples). It's actually comical to watch at this point but worries me that the Flames will probably also lose Gaudreau for nothing in the off-season.

[agulati]

It’s crazy to think that they would be willing to move Theodore. That would be a pretty big part in the deal for Buffalo.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's a lot different than "swinging for the fences". If all it means to you folks is putting our best offer forward within reason fine. But there's a lot of "pay any price" talk and then when I ask "does that mean XXX?" the response is "no that would be silly". Example: Mangiapane - too much to include?

I think you are getting too hung up on details when no one really knows what they are. Like a few others have already mentioned, if Buf sees the assets Vegas is offering as far stronger than ours, we are boned anyways. But I just dont want to be let down by what Vegas has to pay.

If its a heavily prospect and protected draft picks trade I will feel we didnt do enough. My opinion of course.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

What is the rumored price?

Theodore + Krebs + 1st + _____

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Good for Vegas. Now, that is a franchise that understands the point of hockey - which is entertainment.

Since they have come into the league, they have done a bunch of winning, amazing atmosphere during their games, and have continued to keep fans excited with transactions. It's refreshing to see this approach because it is unique. Not even Seattle got it.

As for the Flames, it sucks but not surprised. The GM continues to be in love with his players and can't seem to pull the trigger on anyone from his core leaving unless its forced (Bennett, Giordano, Brodie, Hamonic are recent examples). It's actually comical to watch at this point but worries me that the Flames will probably also lose Gaudreau for nothing in the off-season.

Maybe wait for a deal before jumping to these conclusions

I have my doubts the rumored deal helps them win anytime soon...in fact it makes them worse IMO

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Theodore + Krebs + 1st + _____

I would happily trade: Hanifin + Zary + 1st + Pelletier/Valimaki + Monahan for a player that is Eichel's calibre.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Theodore + Krebs + 1st + _____

Thats nuts. How has Buffalo not sent the fax in yet?

[Gaskal]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454145078562279428

Does Elliotte actually have inside info on the communication between BUF / VGK or is he just going off of the buzz Seravalli generated?

Until the trade is confirmed. I ain't hear no bell yet.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'd offer anything that requires any combination of 3-4 of 1sts, 2nds, Dube, Valimaki (yes), Monahan, Zary, Pelletier, Coronato.

As long as we cam make a deal that doesn't require Mangiapane or Hanifin, it is within reason and should be made.

And this is the mentality that spurs a Hamonic deal for a first and two seconds.

Everybody wants to sign up to sell the farm for a player before they are acquired, but give it a few seasons and those same fans will be yelling for the GM to be fired and citing that terrible trade as one of the reasons.

There has to be a reasonable limit to what the Flames can afford to offer.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It is ridiculous how much of an asset pool Vegas was able to accumulate right from its inception that allowed it to be a contender for every big name that became available.

The rules for expansion are deeply flawed. Luckily Seattle didn't take advantage of it nearly as well.

But screw vegas, man.

But the assets they acquired looked pretty average from the onset. William Karlsson, Nate Schmidt, Colin Miller and etc were nobodies before the Knights got a hold of them. But the Knights' system and foundation fosters the growth of average players and allows their strengths to shine while collectively hiding each players' flaws. Look at guys like Chandler Stephenson and Nicolas Roy today, would these 2 guys be as successful had they stayed with their old clubs? I doubt it.

Vegas just does it the right way. They've built a strong foundation along with a great culture. Others might hate them, but I admire what they've done. I'm also very jealous, but my anger is directed more towards this club and its management for failing to execute despite having a sky high potential and a wide open window.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'd offer anything that requires any combination of 3-4 of 1sts, 2nds, Dube, Valimaki (yes), Monahan, Zary, Pelletier, Coronato.

As long as we cam make a deal that doesn't require Mangiapane or Hanifin, it is within reason and should be made.

Yeah, I think anyone would. And would probably still lose based on the evaluation of Krebs versus the prospects you named and the roster players you named versus Theodore. Reilly Smith can probably be beaten as a player in a deal simply because he's 30, and that makes no sense for the Sabres. Plus he declined to under .5 PPG last year, which may herald a downward trajectory. Expiring contract, though, so worth another pick at the TDL.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Maybe wait for a deal before jumping to these conclusions

I have my doubts the rumored deal helps them win anytime soon...in fact it makes them worse IMO

Yep. They'll be far weaker defensively and certainly weaker prospect wise. And the return on the deal may not even skate for them until next fall.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I would happily trade: Hanifin + Zary + 1st + Pelletier/Valimaki + Monahan for a player that is Eichel's calibre.

This is way too steep considering Eichel's health...there is still a pretty good chance he is never 100%

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I would happily trade: Hanifin + Zary + 1st + Pelletier/Valimaki + Monahan for a player that is Eichel's calibre.

That’s ridiculous. We’re getting into the package for 19 year old Eric Lindros territory.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by shutout

And this is the mentality that spurs a Hamonic deal for a first and two seconds.

Everybody wants to sign up to sell the farm for a player before they are acquired, but give it a few seasons and those same fans will be yelling for the GM to be fired and citing that terrible trade as one of the reasons.

There has to be a reasonable limit to what the Flames can afford to offer.

3-4 of those assets with one being Monahan is reasonable, IMO.

How many times does it have to be said that 28 year old Hamonic isn't even remotely in the ballpark of 25 yesr old Eichel? Come on, man.

Incomparable.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

But the assets they acquired looked pretty average from the onset. William Karlsson, Nate Schmidt, Colin Miller and etc were nobodies before the Knights got a hold of them. But the Knights' system and foundation fosters the growth of average players and allows their strengths to shine while collectively hiding each players' flaws. Look at guys like Chandler Stephenson and Nicolas Roy today, would these 2 guys be as successful had they stayed with their old clubs? I doubt it.

Vegas just does it the right way. They've built a strong foundation along with a great culture. Others might hate them, but I admire what they've done. I'm also very jealous, but my anger is directed more towards this club and its management for failing to execute despite having a sky high potential and a wide open window.

Don't forget geography...Players want to play there, that is the real reason the Flames don't have

Stone, Kadri, Brown, right now

[Mr.Coffee]

This has to be one of the longest trade negotiations sweepstakes of all time.

Buffalo is the worst.