[News] NHL will not discipline Cheveldayoff with respect to Brad Aldrich

[foofighter15]

This seems to set the standard for all non-senior leadership people in the organization, essentially saying that none of the players will be held responsible for looking the other way

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

It's perfectly realistic to expect every person in SENIOR Management to protect a young kids life if they see that the other members of the Management team aren't going to.

How could he have possibly felt that his superiors had dealt with it appropriately when the guy was still there day in and day out, celebrating, interacting with players, coaches, interns etc..

This is a massive swing and a miss by the NHL and if the Jets themselves don't realize it and do something themselves I hope this never goes away, I hope there are chants at every arena the Jets play in calling for his firing.

If the league and the teams can't figure this out themselves, then I hope the paying customers that support them make it clear night in/out that we aren't going to stand for this.

#### this stupid league

They explicitly said he wasn’t part of senior management.

[tvp2003]

I haven't been following super-closely -- did Chevy make any sort of statement about this prior to the report coming out?

One of the issues with Q is that he said it was the first time he had heard about this (when the story first broke) when clearly it wasn't.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

They explicitly said he wasn’t part of senior management.

He's the AGM. What would you call that?

What is your end game here? You think Chevy is innocent and couldn't possibly have done more?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

This seems to set the standard for all non-senior leadership people in the organization, essentially saying that none of the players will be held responsible for looking the other way

The players should feel ashamed for not supporting their teammate. They should be chastised for lying. They should be ostracized for abandoning a teammate and refusing to participate in the investigation.

But I don’t think they can be held responsible for not acting. You can’t fire everyone who knew. It’s just not realistic unfortunately. It could be hundreds of people, players, coaches, management, front office, media, training staff etc.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

They explicitly said he wasn’t part of senior management.

But he was taking part in meetings of the senior management

What was he doing, meeting minutes?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

He's the AGM. What would you call that?

What is your end game here? You think Chevy is innocent and couldn't possibly have done more?

What does it matter what I call him? The nhl says he wasn’t. What do you want me to do? Fire Gary and make my own decision based on what I read on cp?

I have no endgame. What a stupid comment and road to even go down. Go take your rage out somewhere else. I’m just interpreting the same press release as you.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by neo45

But he was taking part in meetings of the senior management

What was he doing, meeting minutes?

I don’t know. Read the press release. Call the nhl offices. Why would you think I have insider info on this?

Did you not read the OP? It says he wasn’t senior management.

[Zoller]

It's surprising that anyone in that meeting is keeping their jobs to be honest

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

This part he is complicit in but that’s not really in the scope of the investigation or what the nhl is commenting on.

Is it possible Chevy didn’t know enough facts to act with certainty? Based on that release it sounds like he potentially wouldn’t have much knowledge of the situation.

He knew exactly as much as JQ. And believing it would be handled (which McDonough reportedly did say) was not enough to excuse JQ's role.

I do not see any reasonable scenario where one man can lose his job and the other has no action taken whatsoever, and is instead commended for his honesty and has his role excused.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

What does it matter what I call him? The nhl says he wasn’t. What do you want me to do? Fire Gary and make my own decision based on what I read on cp?

I have no endgame. What a stupid comment and road to even go down. Go take your rage out somewhere else. I’m just interpreting the same press release as you.

The NHL says a lot of things - do you believe them all? They refused to investigate this 4 months ago, they will say what they want to say to try to make them look as good as possible, they have done this time and again...

I think your comments are stupid, but you are free to make them here, just like I am free to disagree with them and comment on them (or "take my rage out" as you call it).

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He knew exactly as much as JQ. And believing it would be handled (which McDonough reportedly did say) was not enough to excuse JQ's role.

I do not see any reasonable scenario where one man can lose his job and the other has no action taken whatsoever, and is instead commended for his honesty and has his role excused.

JQ was the man’s direct superior. I believe that’s the difference. A big difference in culpability and responsibility. Chevy was also not JQ’s boss according to the wording of that release.

He may be guilty of ignoring it but from an organizational perspective the nhl has made it clear this was not within Chevy’s duties.

[Zoller]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

JQ was the man’s direct superior. I believe that’s the difference. A big difference in culpability and responsibility. Chevy was also not JQ’s boss according to the wording of that release.

He may be guilty of ignoring it but from an organizational perspective the nhl has made it clear this was not within Chevy’s duties.

Look, I'm all about following orders from people in authority (lol no I'm not). And in this case the boss (Bettman) has said Chevy is all good right?

That should be the end of the conversation regarding Chevy. Bettman gave him the all clear and therefore we should all listen to Bettman.

(by the way I don't believe anything I just wrote)

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Lonestar

So if I'm understanding correctly, if a child is assaulted by the gym teacher and the lowly administrator has knowledge, he/she should just let the principal handle it? Gym teacher gets let go and hired by another school?

That's absurd.

You're not

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Bullsh*t. He was made aware and then saw the guy around the team and young players for the next 3+ weeks, celebrating etc..
Yes, he was the lowest ranking person in the room, so what?

I left a career of 8 yrs and acted as a whistleblower on a superior of mine for some shady stuff that was negatively effecting others, not even myself.

Was it the right move for my career? no, probably not
Was it the right move as a human being and a role model for my daughters?
WITHOUT A DOUBT

###### this stupid league

If you were totally certain and sure another colleague of yours was about to blow the whistle, would you still have torpedoed your career? Especially if it was someone superior to you.

The argument Gary is making is that Chevy was under the impression an investigation was happening and therefore Chevy didn't see the need to go to the cops. If Chevy knew no investigation would take place and STILL did nothing, then he's as culpable as the rest IMO.

We weren't at the meetings so we can only take Gary's statement at face value.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Look, I'm all about following orders from people in authority (lol no I'm not). And in this case the boss (Bettman) has said Chevy is all good right?

That should be the end of the conversation regarding Chevy. Bettman gave him the all clear and therefore we should all listen to Bettman.

(by the way I don't believe anything I just wrote)

Oh I get it. You don’t read or write so good. That’s why you are having trouble following the discussion.

You’re excused. We’ll carry on discussing this without you.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

JQ was the man’s direct superior. I believe that’s the difference. A big difference in culpability and responsibility. Chevy was also not JQ’s boss according to the wording of that release.

He may be guilty of ignoring it but from an organizational perspective the nhl has made it clear this was not within Chevy’s duties.

If McDonough say's he'll handle it, doesn't it make sense to believe it will be handled? He's top dog. Both JQ and Chevy have the same excuse. Works for one, not for the other. It's no more up to the head coach to investigate personnel issues than it is anyone else, and if his boss says he'll handle it, I'm sure he defaults to his boss.

How many head coaches are going above the President?

Chevy has no excuse here. He said and did nothing. Aldrich left and he said and did nothing. Aldrich goes on to assault a child and Chevy says and does nothing.

[Zoller]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Oh I get it. You don’t read or write so good. That’s why you are having trouble following the discussion.

You’re excused. We’ll carry on discussing this without you.

Personal insults on the internet lol.

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No. You’re being absurd. If the Administrator’s boss, the principal and the superintendent all know and all say they’re taking action, then maybe the administrator isn’t on the hook for independently going to law enforcement about a topic they have limited knowledge of but have full reason to believe has been fully handled and investigated by the school.

I agree with this, to a point, but if that same person is still around, or you find out hired somewhere else, you should inquire if the accused perpetrator was found innocent??? Or evidence was insufficient???

As AGM, Chevy was likely included as part of his mentoring towards future promotions. He should have been interested in the handling of such a sensitive situation as well.

Just assuming it's handled, when (reasonable) appropriate action doesn't seem to have occurred (still around the organization???, working is similar role somewhere else???) is just sweeping it under the rug!

I can be hard to question your superiors, but that is what is causing most of these situations regarding equality, abuse, etc. If they aren't held accountable, they just try to save face, and often continue the same behaviour!

[SuperMatt18]

I'm surprised by this.

Honestly the safest route for the NHL would have just been to remove anybody that was involved in leadership in that org from their current positions.

Makes me think there must have been some evidence from Cheveldayoff or in the full report that shows that he has a reason to keep his job.

Really though IMO he should be gone too. He was in a position of power in the org, he knew of the situation, and he didn't act either. And here's the thing...maybe you don't have to speak up at that exact moment, but none of these guys thought they should say something when this guy was getting jobs at University's and High Schools?