[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's not such a bad life, honestly.

Give it time.

[ComixZone]

Treliving has never been capable of pulling off an in-season trade of significance. His biggest in-season moves have been trading away Glencross/Hudler/Russell - and how long ago was that?

On the trade front Treliving hasn’t executed anything of note since 2018.

On the flip side, Vegas pulls off these trades seemingly every year. I imagine Vegas pulls this off because they have the history of doing moves like this, and Treliving just doesn’t. So far in his GM career Treliving has shown he just isn’t capable of improving the team in-season.

As far as what Frank actually said, I’d lend it about as much credibility as Friedman’s recent comments. Hopefully this all comes to an end soon.

[Jordan!]

It’s ok Flames, you can take Kessel

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Treliving has never been capable of pulling off an in-season trade of significance. His biggest in-season moves have been trading away Glencross/Hudler/Russell - and how long ago was that?

On the trade front Treliving hasn’t executed anything of note since 2018.

On the flip side, Vegas pulls off these trades seemingly every year. I imagine Vegas pulls this off because they have the history of doing moves like this, and Treliving just doesn’t. So far in his GM career Treliving has shown he just isn’t capable of improving the team in-season.

As far as what Frank actually said, I’d lend it about as much credibility as Friedman’s recent comments. Hopefully this all comes to an end soon.

I hope you come to regret this post

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He’s a 25-year-old former sixth round pick who needs a contract next year.

He’s an undersized winger.

If you can turn that into a 0.95 point per game Centre who is younger, you do it.

And if you let the cost of Andrew Mangiapane stop you from doing the deal, you deserve to lose your job.

He's a legitimate elite top 6 forward who performs at an elite 1st line right both offensively and defensively.

If anything, you give up Pelletier AND Zary or even Dube AND Valimaki over Mangiapane. Or if Mangiapane is included, he automatically becomes the main piece

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Treliving has never been capable of pulling off an in-season trade of significance. His biggest in-season moves have been trading away Glencross/Hudler/Russell - and how long ago was that?

On the trade front in general Treliving hasn’t executed anything of note since 2018.

On the flip side, Vegas pulls off these trades seemingly every year. I imagine Vegas pulls this off because they have the history of doing moves like this, and Treliving just doesn’t. So far in his GM career Treliving has shown he just isn’t capable of improving the team in-season.

This was/is feels like the redemption deal, the one we have all waited patiently for more than 2 years. Failed deals for Stone, and Dubois hopefully have paved the way to spend the futures and get this deal done.

I have basically given up on Treliving but this has alsways been his redemption deal. The chance to get fans excited about the direction of the team again and to dust off some old wizard memes

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by getbak

I really don't see how Vegas makes this work money-wise. Even if they think Stone and Pacioretty are going to be out long-term and they'll just write this season off and come back strong next year with those players and Eichel fully-healed, they don't have any significant contracts coming off the books next year to make room.

They get $5.0 when Reilly Smith hits UFA. So I bet we see Buffalo retain 50% and Vegas doesn’t need to include Krebs or Hague because Kevyn Adams will get lifetime access to the Nobu Villa at Caesars Palace stocked with full casino chip trays. Brad offers BPs gift cards.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

It’s ok Flames, you can take Kessel

Generational burger eater babyyyy.

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

There are reasons to trade for the guy, but there are just as many to bow out of this and press forward with what we have.

Pressing forward with what we have will likely lead to similar outcomes.

[OutOfTheCube]

As a Sabres fan, I'll just be happy to put this circus behind us and looking forward to what seeing what the return is, wherever he ends up.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Would you go for eichel at the expense of this year? Would be a huge fail IMO with this coach and the apparent chemistry of the team. Especially considering the unprotected 1st going the other way.

Yes.

For starters, I don’t believe this team falls out of playoff contention if any of the proposed deals go through.

Monahan has 0 points and is playing on the 4th line.

One of Dube/Mangiapane off the roster definitely stings, but if we have to give Bread up, at least we have Dube to fill the hole at centre. And Dillon is younger. Conversely, keeping Mangiapane means we have a good secondary scoring option to keep us in the hunt.

After that, it’s a bunch of guys we’ve already drafted - Zary, Pelletier, possibly Coronato. Neither Zary or Pelletier has had so much as an impressive training camp. If you have to add Coronato… you can find another Coronato.

A 1st this year? Who cares - it’ll be between 12-24 like it always is.

A 2nd? Again, who cares when the return is a 24 year old 0.95 PPG centre under contract for 5 years.

If the contention is this team is a Mangiapane away from picking top-5, we shouldn’t be trading For Eichel, we should be trading Johnny and Tkachuk to the highest bidders.

Trading for Eichel signals to Gaudreau and Tkachuk this team is all in for a championship. They have the coach, they committed to a goalie, the defense has been a pleasant surprise.

Brady Tkachuk’s extensions shows that the family is willing to stay in Canada if the team comes with the long paper, and Johnny’s extension has been rumoured all summer. There’s no reason he wouldn’t sign long term if the organization brought in his potential Olympic line mate.

To top it all off, you prevent the best team in the division from stealing another elite player out from under you.

So yeah. Three 1st round prospects, a former 1st rounder in Monahan, one of Dube/Bread, the 12-24th puck next year and a 2nd for Jack Eichel and an extended Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

I do that.

[Jbo]

I want no part of this bidding war

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jbo

I want no part of this bidding war

Well, you kinda have to; unless you want Vegas to have even more bullets to add whatever pieces they may need down the road.

If the Flames don’t get him, they had better make the price so astronomical that Vegas is severely hampered in the future.

[MikeMc]

This doesn't even feel like news and people are losing their #### like it's a done deal.

Vegas is in the mix.

Cool.

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[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This.

Pretty misleading thread title. Got a few posters worked up, though.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I was limited by the software of the site and could not add any more characters to the title.

Your title: Seravalli: Vegas favourite to land Eichel, resolution expected in coming days (77 chars)

A more correct title: Seravalli: Eichel saga expected to end soon. VGK might be new favourites. (73 chars)

[Jiri Hrdina]

To me its always been about Krebs. If Vegas is willing to deal him then the Flames don't have a package to match. I would hope the same isn't true for Hague but each team has their own evaluations and if they are higher on him than the Flames' prospects that won't help.

And honestly why would Vegas not be willing to deal Krebs. They are as much in a win now mode as any team in the league. Stopping short of that by not dealing Krebs seems weird.

[Backstop]

I'm going with Krebs is a master of the cycle, so Buffalo traded Eichel for the Krebs Cycle.


'the Krebs cycle – is a series of chemical reactions to release stored energy through the oxidation of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. The cycle is used by organisms that respire to generate energy.'



Can't compete with that, they traded him for energy. Gives me closure (albeit a bit disingenuous) and I can enjoy the current on ice product without nagging misgivings.

[SuperMatt18]

Whenever I hear stuff like this leak I always wonder the intention of the team that leaked this is.

Does Vegas leak this? Maybe, their fans are a bit unhappy with their start.

Does Buffalo leak this? I think they could, and I think they are trying to pit the three Pacific teams against one another into a bidding war.

Last week it was leaked that Anaheim was the favourites. Yesterday it was leaked that Anaheim might have dropped out, and Vegas and Calgary were the teams the loudest in the mix. Now today Vegas is the favourite and it's about to wrap up soon.

IMO there is some clear use of the media here over the last 2-3 weeks to try to get the pacific division teams into a bit of an arms race to acquire Eichel.

I've had a belief since the offseason that the Flames have the best offer on the table for Eichel. No inside knowledge, no inside source, just a gut feeling.

BUT the problem with the Flames offer is that it doesn't have a piece as big as pieces Anaheim could offer (Zegras, Drysdale, Marchment), and it might not even have a piece as good as Krebs (although I think Zary is close), and Buffalo has been waiting to try to pry one of those true grade A prospects from one of those teams, or to see if Calgary would up their offer.

I'm interested to see how this plays off over the next week because IMO this feels like Buffalo trying to manufacture a bidding war among Pacific division teams. And I think Calgary will be involved as long as Vegas/Anaheim don't include Krebs/Zegras/Drysdale/Marchment because they just don't have the pieces to match if those guys are included.

[keenan87]

and of course, Krebs is from Calgary, AB.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Pressing forward with what we have will likely lead to similar outcomes.

There are three likely outcomes if the Flames make a trade and we have to be careful in each of them.

1) Trading for Eichel and removing four players from the roster (three roster pieces in trade and Eichel being on the shelf) would lead to something much much worse. The depth we have been relying on to run teams over would be gone. We would have a roster built similarly to Edmonton's, but without the high octane scoring. That needs to be taken into consideration.

2) The other angle also has to look at futures. If you are going to have a really high priced first line, you need to fill your roster out with promising young players that can fill that skill gap. Otherwise you ARE the Edmonton Oilers and really have nothing to show for it but individual hardware for your overpriced stars. We're talking about giving up our best young players to bring Eichel in. That's not a good way to support that star player. Worse, you're screwed if one of those stars goes down, and then have an empty minor league system to back it up.

3) This is the combo. We may be able to trade for Eichel with a blend of assets, say two roster players, a prospect, and a high draft pick. This is probably preferable, but we have to make sure the right asset mix goes out the door and we can sustain the team now and in the future. This also likely means we are looking at a second trade where dump an expensive asset later in the season so we can add Eichel when he comes off IR. Timing on this is everything, as we are going to need that expensive body to get us to the point where Eichel matters this year. Not an easy task, and Eichel has to be back by trade deadline.

So we have to be very careful how the deal goes down. Handled poorly, it can really screw us over long term. Handled well it might work out for us. There is substantial risk involved and it is not an easy call. Glad my job isn't on the line in making the decision, because if it doesn't go perfectly, there's a new GM in the office next summer.