Ongoing YYCCC (Chu + Farkas) Transgressions Threat

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Weird. It is almost like the CPS should lose the funding it has to investigate itself… or certain parts of their internal checks and balances should be… oh… I don’t know… de-funded and reallocated externally.

That is why we have ASIRT now. Is it not?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Yes. The Distinguished Service Medal is the 10 year one. The Exemplary Service Medal is the 20 year one. If you are a sworn member and reach those time in grade milestones, you get one.

Thanks for clarifying, but that is a bad look to give someone an award that connotates the recipient being a desirable model of service. When their service includes extremely dishonorable acts.

Basically this award is the "managed not to get fired" award. Making it sound noble is wrong, and some thing Chu has taken advantage of to get elected.

[CPK80]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Weird. It is almost like the CPS should lose the funding it has to investigate itself… or certain parts of their internal checks and balances should be… oh… I don’t know… de-funded and reallocated externally.

I think there is an opportunity to review there internal investigations at this time, just as a check up. But that process has had major changes since this incident happened and I believe most are done by third party now.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Honestly it’s a cop out to use a defence like “well, of course the courts are autonomous”. Sure from a high level examination, of course they are. We don’t live in a dictatorship.



But is it possible there are individual cracks in the system? All it takes is one judge who isn’t playing by the rules and who has a vested interest in helping the police/Chu. It doesn’t require a vast conspiracy and losing all faith in our judicial system. Just one ####### willing to help sweep this under the rug is all it takes.

Sure. I guess it's "possible". I mean anything is "possible". But it certainly becomes more "possible" when you have an axe to grind and interpret everything in that light.

The reaction to Neufeld's statement is a good example. As I said early (and no one answered), what would you rather have him say? He explained the process then, he explained the changes and said allegations of this nature are serious and that they take a victim support approach. He indicated they are advocating for changes of the Police Act and have continued to make transparency and accountability a priority. And YOU reacted by calling him a "piece of garbage".

That reaction is way outside the parameters of reasonable and unbiased.

I can't imagine I'll get a response that isn't snarky, condescending or otherwise meant to engage in healthy conversation. So save it.

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[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Thanks for clarifying, but that is a bad look to give someone an award that connotates the recipient being a desirable model of service. When their service includes extremely dishonorable acts.

Basically this award is the "managed not to get fired" award. Making it sound noble is wrong, and some thing Chu has taken advantage of to get elected.

This dork wore all his police participation medals to his debate with DJ.

[Hack&Lube]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...earm-1.6218388

Calgary police called in 2008 to domestic incident involving Sean Chu and firearm

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Sure. I guess it's "possible". I mean anything is "possible". But it certainly becomes more "possible" when you have an axe to grind and interpret everything in that light.

The reaction to Neufeld's statement is a good example. As I said early (and no one answered), what would you rather have him say? He explained the process then, he explained the changes and said allegations of this nature are serious and that they take a victim support approach. He indicated they are advocating for changes of the Police Act and have continued to make transparency and accountability a priority. And YOU reacted by calling him a "piece of garbage".

That reaction is way outside the parameters of reasonable and unbiased.

I can't imagine I'll get a response that isn't snarky, condescending or otherwise meant to engage in healthy conversation. So save it.

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You realize that this 'important event' that they're 'taking seriously' happened over 20 years ago? Presumably they've been 'taking it seriously' all of that time? Or just now, when its convenient?

After Chu has been elected twice? I wonder what his voting record on Police Reform looks like?

Is Police reform so slow that it can only be measured Geologically?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Yes. The Distinguished Service Medal is the 10 year one. The Exemplary Service Medal is the 20 year one. If you are a sworn member and reach those time in grade milestones, you get one.



I happen to agree, but I imagine that the concept is that 'you' are not perfect, but if you have put in X amount of time, you have done more good than harm.

While I am not defending or condoning Chu, he does make a good example. His conduct at that time earned him 5 years under a Discreditable Conduct banner. He clearly behaved well enough during that time period that it expired (and was not superseded by more disciplinary action or extended). He's "done his time" and so the warning goes away.

Thanks for explaining that.

In the university thread there was umbrage that high school grades are up ~5% over the years. I think making the standard for "exemplary service" being "stuck around and so we figure you did more good than harm" isn't the right bar.

Hard to believe their isn't a cultural issue in CPS.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

As I said early (and no one answered), what would you rather have him say?

People want our officials to communicate in the same highly-charged, outraged tone as we see on social media.

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

I can't imagine I'll get a response that isn't snarky, condescending or otherwise meant to engage in healthy conversation. So save it.

New to CP?

[Torture]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1451222250485547008

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People want our officials to communicate in the same highly-charged, outraged tone as we see on social media.



New to CP?

Meh, I guess I wouldn't expect him to say anything different, I mean it was basically a political, non-answer. But wanting him to be more transparent about the contents of the investigation and how things are actually better now wouldn't hurt.

It reminds me of Facebook/Twitter answers in the face of a s**tstorm. "We take these issues very seriously and are working to make improvements." While nothing really happens and the world burns..

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Locke

You realize that this 'important event' that they're 'taking seriously' happened over 20 years ago? Presumably they've been 'taking it seriously' all of that time? Or just now, when its convenient?



After Chu has been elected twice? I wonder what his voting record on Police Reform looks like?



Is Police reform so slow that it can only be measured Geologically?

And there we have it. So the police, 24 years ago, knowing chu would be an elected official and would have influence over city hall on police matters, either swept it under the rug, bought judges and crowns, to otherwise influence the outcome of the allegation. All to get their ninja spy into city hall.

That's some f'd up revisionist history you got on the go. 1

You still didn't answer the question about what you wanted Neufeld to say. Maybe Cliff is right, Neufeld simply was as angry or condescending as you are.

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[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Torture

https://twitter.com/user/status/1451222250485547008

sweet.
let me get some popcorn for this.
perfect. Can't wait for Monday!

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Torture

https://twitter.com/user/status/1451222250485547008

I don’t know how it would affect this situation, but not every council is sworn in by the mayor (who is first sworn in, of course). Some use their local MLA and I’ve seen lawyers handling swearing-in ceremonies, too.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

And there we have it. So the police, 24 years ago, knowing chu would be an elected official and would have influence over city hall on police matters, either swept it under the rug, bought judges and crowns, to otherwise influence the outcome of the allegation. All to get their ninja spy into city hall.

That's some f'd up revisionist history you got on the go. 1

You still didn't answer the question about what you wanted Neufeld to say. Maybe Cliff is right, Neufeld simply was as angry or condescending as you are.

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Or, now stay with me on this one, they do that for every police officer no matter how odious the behaviour. No one knew what Chu would eventually become, but if publication bans are the normal operating procedure to protect the thin blue line, we wouldn't know how common that behaviour is within CPS.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I don’t know how it would affect this situation, but not every council is sworn in by the mayor (who is first sworn in, of course). Some use their local MLA and I’ve seen lawyers handling swearing-in ceremonies, too.

I believe that the mayor doesn't actually swearing-in the councillors so I don't think Gondek can really do anything here to block the procedure. At the same time, I don't necessarily believe that whoever does the swearing in actually has any power to block an elected individual from their role.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Or, now stay with me on this one, they do that for every police officer no matter how odious the behaviour. No one knew what Chu would eventually become, but if publication bans are the normal operating procedure to protect the thin blue line, we wouldn't know how common that behaviour is within CPS.

I repeat, publication bans aren't put in place by the police. Now of course if you believe the local CP anti-police establishment, the courts are in kahoots with police. So I guess there's that.

So stay with me on this one, all police related criminal charges, etc are public record just like they are for everyone else. Go check for yourself instead of making outlandish claims.

I recognize that this is an uphill battle. That there is a loud anti-police sentiment on CP and there always has been. That no amount of reason or otherwise presentation of a set of alternative facts or ideas will ever be considered. But man, there's literally no amount of constructive or alternative narratives that are acceptable.

[Bunk]

I'm going to say he'll resign late tomorrow to avoid further humiliation.

[TorqueDog]

We can only hope.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People want our officials to communicate in the same highly-charged, outraged tone as we see on social media.

That's the only way I see the reaction to what Neufeld's statement making any sense, to be honest, because I don't know what people expected given the reaction if not Twitter outrage in press release form. He's been with CPS since 2019 so the incident itself significantly predates him. He explains what he understands to have transpired, how it would have been handled differently today, and that steps are being made to evolve processes at the CPS. This is the same police chief that, in response to the 'Defund the Police' movement has actually been open to the idea. Did everyone forget that?

I don't want public figures to adopt the over-the-top outrage that permeates social media. Measured, level-headed responses are absolutely preferred. That doesn't preclude incorporating swift condemnation when something is definitely rotten.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I'm going to say he'll resign late tomorrow to avoid further humiliation.

Something tells me "humiliation" isn't really something he concerns himself with. He's been humiliated at most council meetings. I'm not actually sure what would convince him to resign.