2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is like over a 95% chance that Eichel is still an elite C after the surgery he wants, you play those odds every time.

The literature related to this type of surgery suggests it is 75% that he returns to regular every-day-life activities, let alone being an elite player in the NHL. There is substantial risk involved with taking on a player like Eichel. Is the juice worth the squeeze? Depends on the ask. The risk has to be reasonable, and so far, Buffalo has not presented anything with reasonable risk.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Yet teams seem to me interested in him without seeing him play.

Eichel has performed well when he has played. Monny was a shell of his former self last year. Teams really don’t know what that are getting with him. Eichel has a specific injury.


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Actually, last year, from the start to when Eichel was yanked, Monahan outscored him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is like over a 95% chance that Eichel is still an elite C after the surgery he wants, you play those odds every time.

Where is the 95% statistic coming from? Is there even enough data to come up with a statistically significant estimate?

Buffalo might be a crappy franchise, but I can't believe they would be shafting their franchise player like this if that 95% number was a fact.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Where is the 95% statistic coming from? Is there even enough data to come up with a statistically significant estimate?

Buffalo might be a crappy franchise, but I can't believe they would be shafting their franchise player like this if that 95% number was a fact.

his ass

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, I just read what doctors who perform this type of surgery say. I know on CP the speculators have more credibility than experts but the reality is he will almost certainly be just fine.

We haven’t had a chance to get a center like star like him since Joe Thornton was traded. Most likely we don’t have that chance again for the next 20 years.

I take that chance as a Flames fan every day. I’d pretty much match any offer and give them what they want if you can also retain Gaudreau and Tkachuk right now.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

his ass

Or any literature you care to look up. We even had a specialist speak about it on here and how the chance of a poor recovery was very low. I get it though, it doesn't fit the agenda of you and your other pessimistic posters narrative that you are not happy unless the team crashes and burns.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or any literature you care to look up. We even had a specialist speak about it on here and how the chance of a poor recovery was very low. I get it though, it doesn't fit the agenda of you and your other pessimistic posters narrative that you are not happy unless the team crashes and burns.

LOL

You think I'm a negative poster!?

You can't put odds on the recovery without assessing the patient

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Actually, last year, from the start to when Eichel was yanked, Monahan outscored him.

And what did Monny do after that?

You are basically comparing a healthy Monny with an injured Eichel.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL

You think I'm a negative poster!?

You can't put odds on the recovery without assessing the patient

If there are doctors saying the recovery should be fine and a guy can compete in MMA after having it done I am optimistic the risk is worth the reward.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And what did Monny do after that?

You are basically comparing a healthy Monny with an injured Eichel.


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No, Monahan was injured in something like game 5 or 6.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If there are doctors saying the recovery should be fine and a guy can compete in MMA after having it done I am optimistic the risk is worth the reward.

Are you referring to the MMA fighter whose return to the octagon was recently shelved because it was determined his surgery had not yet healed to the point where the athlete could continue his training? Just want to make sure, seeing as the literature identified the risks that have shelved this fighter.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Are you referring to the MMA fighter whose return to the octagon was recently shelved because it was determined his surgery had not yet healed to the point where the athlete could continue his training? Just want to make sure, seeing as the literature identified the risks that have shelved this fighter.

Yeah but that's because he had a gruesome leg injury. I'm not gonna post a GIF but it was pretty much the same thing that happened to Steven Stamkos back in the day.

[Calgary4LIfe]

There is a legitimate worry when it comes to Eichel about him not ever being back to 100% after his surgery. How close to 100% he will ever be remains in question. That's why Buffalo doesn't allow him to get that replacement surgery - their real surgeons do not feel this replacement surgery is worth the risk. That's their analysis after years of expertise in the field.


On the flip side, other surgeons seem to think this is a good way to go.


There is no definitive answer here. Teams will have doctors doing their own examination and providing there opinions to their teams, and it sure sounds like there will not be a consensus league-wide on his prognosis. Maybe one doctor stated "95%", but that's a single opinion. If it was that cut and dry, the surgery would have happened already long ago, and either a healthy Eichel would have been playing right now for Buffalo, or a healthy Eichel would have been traded for full value to another team long ago.


The only certainty in all of this is that there is a definitive element of risk, and the returns will be impacted by how much risk each individual team feels there is.


The Flames going out and acquiring Eichel both excites me greatly, and terrifies me completely at the same time. I hope they do, and I hope they do not. One thing that I am 100% sure about - I want them to trade as little as possible down to the 7th round value and the nearest nickel in cap possible.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Actually, last year, from the start to when Eichel was yanked, Monahan outscored him.

Are you sure? Eichel had 18 points in 21 games

Also I would suggest he had less help around him and was more than a little banged up considering the nature of his injury

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you sure? Eichel had 18 points in 21 games

Also I would suggest he had less help around him and was more than a little banged up considering the nature of his injury

Monny had 15 points in his first 21 games.


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[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Monahan + Andersson + Pelletier + conditional 1st

That would be a trade I am comfortable making, the biggest question mark is the first round pick, no matter what year it is, it has to be conditional upon him being healthy, playing games and lottery protected at all costs

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you sure? Eichel had 18 points in 21 games

Also I would suggest he had less help around him and was more than a little banged up considering the nature of his injury

Scoring as in getting goals. But Monahan was close to that in points.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you sure? Eichel had 18 points in 21 games

Also I would suggest he had less help around him and was more than a little banged up considering the nature of his injury

They brought in Taylor Hall to play with him…

[Knightslayer]

The legend of Jack Eichel. Some talk about him like he's an elite center and not someone who has the possibility of being an elite center. He's not there yet, even when he was healthy.

Does he have a chance to be one, absolutely but he isn't one yet and his injury status clouds that even more.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Scoring as in getting goals. But Monahan was close to that in points.

Monny had 2 more goals, Eichel had 7 more assists.


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