2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would Monahan sign off on a trade to Buffalo?

He probably wouldn't love the destination but he might like being the #1C again now that Lindholm has usurped him in Calgary. IF Monahan was included in an Eichel deal, he'd also likely be moved to a better team for futures at some point as well.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would Monahan sign off on a trade to Buffalo?

I feel like the key would be flipping Monahan to a third team who would possibly provide futures and pure cap dumps to Buffalo. I could see Seattle being involved if they could get a discount Monahan. Vegas could use a center, the Wild, maybe Ottawa?

[CliffFletcher]

The Sabre’s original ask was apparently the value of four 1st round picks. Nobody met that price. So something more like the value of three 1sts seems plausible. And whether they like it or not, the Sabres will have to take salary back. Likely something in the neighbourhood of $5 mil.

What does that deal look for the Ducks and Flames?

Ducks

Josh Manson/Jakob Silvferberg
Mason McTavish
Olen Zellweger

The Sabres are desperately thin on RD and could use what Manson brings to the table. Would be a good partner for Dahlin. Has only one year left on his contract, but that might be good thing for the Sabres if they can flip him at the deadline and free up cap. Alternatively, Silvferberg if they’re looking for a skilled and reliable winger to play with their young centres.

McTavish is the centrepiece, a big, two-way prospect who projects as a #2 C.

Zellweger was an early 2nd rounder in 2021 (34 OA) and is a legit puck-carrying d prospect.

Flames

Monahan / Andersson
Coronato
Dube
2022 1st (unprotected)

In Monahan, the Sabres get help up the middle to insulate their young centres. Or of they don’t like Monahan, Andersson gives them a young RD who can play with Dahlin.

Coronato has the highest ceiling of Flames prospects, but sub in Zary or Pelletier here if that’s who the Sabres like.

Dube makes up for the lack of truly high-end prospect going the Sabres way. Also makes Eichel’s cap hit more manageable for the Flames.

Without a blue chip prospect coming their way, the Sabres will insist on the Flames’ pick being unprotected. The Flames probably ask for something coming back in that scenario, like a 2nd.


I think the Ducks would have the inside track on a deal, because they can offer a genuinely blue-chip prospect (even without including Zegras or Drysdale). But the Flames are in the mix if the Sabres resign themselves to quantity over quality.

[bigrangy]

If you trade for Eichel, you do it with the intent to go all in.

Lucic
Zadorov
Coronato
Pelletier
1st 2022 (top5 protected)
1st 2023 (top5 protected, conditional on Eichel playing and performing in 2022-2023)

That moves out 9 million, idk if you’d have to do more. If you go and move actual top of roster players for Eichel it just hurts you until he’s healthy. Would this have been way easier to do back in June, yes.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Sabre’s original ask was apparently the value of four 1st round picks. Nobody met that price. So something more like the value of three 1sts seems plausible. And whether they like it or not, the Sabres will have to take salary back. Likely something in the neighbourhood of $5 mil.

What does that deal look for the Ducks and Flames?

Ducks

Josh Manson/Jakob Silvferberg
Mason McTavish
Olen Zellweger

The Sabres are desperately thin on RD and could use what Manson brings to the table. Would be a good partner for Dahlin. Has only one year left on his contract, but that might be good thing for the Sabres if they can flip him at the deadline and free up cap. Alternatively, Silvferberg if they’re looking for a skilled and reliable winger to play with their young centres.

McTavish is the centrepiece, a big, two-way prospect who projects as a #2 C.

Zellweger was an early 2nd rounder in 2021 (34 OA) and is a legit puck-carrying d prospect.

Flames

Monahan / Andersson
Coronato
Dube
2022 1st (unprotected)

In Monahan, the Sabres get help up the middle to insulate their young centres. Or of they don’t like Monahan, Andersson gives them a young RD who can play with Dahlin.

Coronato has the highest ceiling of Flames prospects, but sub in Zary or Pelletier here if that’s who the Sabres like.

Dube makes up for the lack of truly high-end prospect going the Sabres way. Also makes Eichel’s cap hit more manageable for the Flames.

Without a blue chip prospect coming their way, the Sabres will insist on the Flames’ pick being unprotected. The Flames probably ask for something coming back in that scenario, like a 2nd.


I think the Ducks would have the inside track on a deal, because they can offer a genuinely blue-chip prospect (even without including Zegras or Drysdale). But the Flames are in the mix if the Sabres resign themselves to quantity over quality.

nm

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I think people are over estimating what it will take to make a trade happen at this point.

The return will be underwhelming if you're a Sabres fan.

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Monahan + Andersson + Pelletier + conditional 1st

They aren’t getting anything like that.

[Vinny01]

Lebrun did set the table for the Flames to be yet another bridesmaid in the deal as it sounds like he thinks the Ducks deal makes the most sense.

At this stage Treliving has lost me but if he can pull this one off I would be right back to being a supporter.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lebrun did set the table for the Flames to be yet another bridesmaid in the deal as it sounds like he thinks the Ducks deal makes the most sense.

At this stage Treliving has lost me but if he can pull this one off I would be right back to being a supporter.

I don’t think he said the Ducks offer makes the most sense. He said it makes more sense for the Ducks given where they are at, no playoff expectations this year. He didn’t really speak to the offers other than Calgary and Anaheim are still in it.

[DoubleK]

$10Mx8 years for Barkov.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...80131040718853

[dustygoon]

Elliott Friedman is no slouch either and is pretty confidant in saying the sabres don’t want players in their prime. They likely don’t want Monahan

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Elliott Friedman is no slouch either and is pretty confidant in saying the sabres don’t want players in their prime. They likely don’t want Monahan

There is a good chance that in order to get the deal and the players/prospects they like, then Buffalo is likely also going to need to take back some salary. It has been four months and no one has met their asking price. It seems probable that they are not going to get everything they want in this deal.

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[AC]

Yeah Buffalo taking Monahan with the ability to flip him again later (or right away) makes the most sense if his salary is crucial to making an Eichel trade feasible.

[Roof-Daddy]

Wouldn't it be funny if the Sabres agreed to a Monahan +++ deal for Eichel but Monahan had Buffalo on his 10 team NTC and wouldn't waive?

That'd be hilarious.....right?

And then instead, the Sabres end up trading him Anaheim, a team in our division.

I know I wouldn't be able to stop laughing.

[Yoho]

So if Monahan says no to Buffalo whats the likely return from another team on his list?

A mid first is best case?

(and the minute the Flames start asking around other teams will know exactly why)

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There is a good chance that in order to get the deal and the players/prospects they like, then Buffalo is likely also going to need to take back some salary. It has been four months and no one has met their asking price. It seems probable that they are not going to get everything they want in this deal.

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Is four months that long in the big scheme of things? That team is not competing regardless and I can think of other players that have been “on the block” for longer. Didn’t Sakic take 18 months to get what he wanted for Duchene?

I’m not trying to defend the Sabres competence here but from their perspective the Draft is the next big deadline. Now I get his injury complicates things, but that’s more for the acquiring team. At least by not playing nothing is getting worse.

For sure they may well not get what they want but IDK if four months is enough time to conclude they never will and need to lower their price. Is Eichel less valuable next off season?

[getbak]

If Buffalo moves out Eichel's $10 million cap hit, they'll need to bring in around $7 million just to stay above the floor.

If they don't get it in the Eichel deal directly, they'll need to get it elsewhere and I don't know if there are any of those Hossa-style big cap hit, low dollar LTIR contracts available right now.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Wouldn't it be funny if the Sabres agreed to a Monahan +++ deal for Eichel but Monahan had Buffalo on his 10 team NTC and wouldn't waive?

That'd be hilarious.....right?

And then instead, the Sabres end up trading him Anaheim, a team in our division.

I know I wouldn't be able to stop laughing.

If I'm Monahan, Buffalo would be the first team on my list.

No onewants to go there at this point and who can blame them?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is four months that long in the big scheme of things? That team is not competing regardless and I can think of other players that have been “on the block” for longer. Didn’t Sakic take 18 months to get what he wanted for Duchene?

I’m not trying to defend the Sabres competence here but from their perspective the Draft is the next big deadline. Now I get his injury complicates things, but that’s more for the acquiring team. At least by not playing nothing is getting worse.

For sure they may well not get what they want but IDK if four months is enough time to conclude they never will and need to lower their price. Is Eichel less valuable next off season?

Yes NMC kicks in.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is four months that long in the big scheme of things? That team is not competing regardless and I can think of other players that have been “on the block” for longer. Didn’t Sakic take 18 months to get what he wanted for Duchene?

I’m not trying to defend the Sabres competence here but from their perspective the Draft is the next big deadline. Now I get his injury complicates things, but that’s more for the acquiring team. At least by not playing nothing is getting worse.

For sure they may well not get what they want but IDK if four months is enough time to conclude they never will and need to lower their price. Is Eichel less valuable next off season?

Yes. That’s eichel not playing hockey for almost two years… and coming off of a serious surgery/recovery. Yikes.


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Yes NMC kicks in.

I don't know if Eichel enforcing a NMC is much of a factor in this case is it?