10-04-2021, 05:28 AM
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#81
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by dino7c
You said the vaccine is a major risk for this and have said similar nonsense in other threads.
It's a terrible take because the Vaccine lowers the risk (duh)
Young fit professional athlete has had major complications due to covid because he wasn't vaccinated and thought covid was faked to screw over Trump (who got covid and vaccinated after)
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Don't defend the indefensible
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No, someone pointed out myocarditis is 450 million to 1 so they should get the vaccine. I pointed out that the vaccine also can cause myocarditis.
Point was get the vaccine but not because of the chances of getting myocarditis if you get covid. Get the vaccine because of what it's meant for, Covid-19.
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10-04-2021, 05:47 AM
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#82
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
No, someone pointed out myocarditis is 450 million to 1 so they should get the vaccine. I pointed out that the vaccine also can cause myocarditis.
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I think it’s the fact that you said Myocarditis was a MAJOR risk factor of vaccines.
It is a risk factor. And it is a serious condition.
But the way you worded it insinuates that it is an unusually common side effect of vaccines. Which of course, it is not.
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10-04-2021, 05:51 AM
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#83
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Powerplay Quarterback
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But what does theo fleury think?
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10-04-2021, 07:16 AM
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#84
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Originally Posted by Beatle17
Dictionary fascism:
"Fascism is a system of government led by a dictator who typically rules by forcefully and often violently suppressing opposition and criticism, controlling all industry and commerce, and promoting nationalism and often racism."
Led by left leaning governments of Germany and Italy in the second world war. I know the "progressives" have now claimed the word to defame everyone but the actual description has nothing to do with the "alt-right".
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First sentence of Wikipedia on Facism: Facism is a form of far-right authoritarian ultranationalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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10-04-2021, 07:27 AM
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#85
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Could Care Less
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Fascists hate communists with a burning passion - complete opposite ends of the political spectrum.
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10-04-2021, 07:44 AM
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#86
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
No, someone pointed out myocarditis is 450 million to 1 so they should get the vaccine. I pointed out that the vaccine also can cause myocarditis.
Point was get the vaccine but not because of the chances of getting myocarditis if you get covid. Get the vaccine because of what it's meant for, Covid-19.
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One. That was the risk of getting myocarditis under the age of 20. 450 / 1,000,000.
Two. The vaccine cuts that risk more than in 1/2. (200/1,000,000).
You are wrong and said something reckless. Just own it.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2782900
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10-04-2021, 08:06 AM
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#87
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Boreal
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Nope, both have risks. Never said they were same risks. Said they were a major risk factor and they are.
Get vaccinated, no idea why some are stuck on semantics. Get vaccinated because of Covid not to cut risk of myocarditis. Just a silly argument.
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10-04-2021, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta
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Yes, and beside that is a picture of Hitler and Mussolini, both of whom were socialist (NAZI = National Socialism). Mussolini formed the National Fascist Party.
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10-04-2021, 08:10 AM
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#89
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Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Nope, both have risks. Never said they were same risks. Said they were a major risk factor and they are.
Get vaccinated, no idea why some are stuck on semantics. Get vaccinated because of Covid not to cut risk of myocarditis. Just a silly argument.
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Just take out the word Major.
Do you have a Major risk of dying in a car accident this year?
Major implies something that needs to be mitigated.
Words matter.
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10-04-2021, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Nope, both have risks. Never said they were same risks. Said they were a major risk factor and they are.
Get vaccinated, no idea why some are stuck on semantics. Get vaccinated because of Covid not to cut risk of myocarditis. Just a silly argument.
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Because it’s not a major risk factor. And suggesting it is a major risk factor is wrong. Semantics matter because these semantics are the entire basis of the argument for anti-vaxxers.
And getting the vaccine does, in fact, decrease your risk of myocarditis, since it decreases your risk of getting COVID.
If it’s so silly, why push the point? When you’re wrong you’re wrong, take the correction and move on.
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10-04-2021, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior
Yes, and beside that is a picture of Hitler and Mussolini, both of whom were socialist (NAZI = National Socialism). Mussolini formed the National Fascist Party.
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The word socialist in the Nazi party’s name is not comparable with how it is used today. Hitler was not a socialist.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vox....brooks-gohmert
My point stands. Anti vaxxers call people leftists and facists in the same sentence, and it shows their intelligence.
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10-04-2021, 08:24 AM
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Nazis were socialists in the same way that the DPRK is democratic...
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10-04-2021, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Nope, both have risks. Never said they were same risks. Said they were a major risk factor and they are.
Get vaccinated, no idea why some are stuck on semantics. Get vaccinated because of Covid not to cut risk of myocarditis. Just a silly argument.
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Do the Flames have a "major" chance of winning the Stanley Cup this year? Trying to understand how you use words.
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10-04-2021, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior
Yes, and beside that is a picture of Hitler and Mussolini, both of whom were socialist (NAZI = National Socialism). Mussolini formed the National Fascist Party.
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Can’t believe this is a conversation in an Oilers thread, but maybe read a book. Mussolini was booted out of the socialist party and adopted nationalism and fascism. Hitler opposed unions, central ownership, and completely rejected socialism by 1926, denying the progression of all socialist projects with the Nazi party.
I bet you think the Progressive Conservatives are the progressive party in Canada, huh? The Rhino party is formed by actual rhinos?
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10-04-2021, 08:31 AM
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#96
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Can't believe there are two people on the Oilers now out long term due to Covid (young, healthy nhl players), yet Dunkin' Keith still couldn't see the forest for the trees
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10-04-2021, 08:38 AM
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#97
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
The Rhino party is formed by actual rhinos?
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Don't you even........
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10-04-2021, 08:39 AM
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#98
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Originally Posted by calumniate
Can't believe there are two people on the Oilers now out long term due to Covid (young, healthy nhl players), yet Dunkin' Keith still couldn't see the forest for the trees
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This whole anti-vaxx thing is so bizarre. A long time acquaintance of mine is going to walk away from a long time career rather than get vaccinated. I just don't understand why people are willing to throw everything away because they are too stubborn to get vaccinated.
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10-04-2021, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta
The word socialist in the Nazi party’s name is not comparable with how it is used today. Hitler was not a socialist.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vox....brooks-gohmert
My point stands. Anti vaxxers call people leftists and facists in the same sentence, and it shows their intelligence. |
I think you may need to drill down a little on your research. Over time fascism has been used to describe everything from communists to ultra-right nut jobs. Right now it is certainly used as a pejorative to describe the right. Historians have said "trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall."
To be clear, I'm massively pro-vax, and slightly right of centre. This isn't me trying to go to bat for disassociating the right from the left, but it's not clear that anything fascist is right, and educated, intelligent people like "historians" are the ones saying this.
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10-04-2021, 08:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beatle17
Dictionary fascism:
"Fascism is a system of government led by a dictator who typically rules by forcefully and often violently suppressing opposition and criticism, controlling all industry and commerce, and promoting nationalism and often racism."
Led by left leaning governments of Germany and Italy in the second world war. I know the "progressives" have now claimed the word to defame everyone but the actual description has nothing to do with the "alt-right".
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Say you've never read a history book without saying you've never read a history book.
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