2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by flambers

True, but they are also slower...

Can the Flames skate with the top teams

Spoiler!

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Spoiler!

Good thing we are in the division with Mcdavid and McKinnon

I heard they have problems with skating

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by flambers

True, but they are also slower...

Can the Flames skate with the top teams

It’s kind of a catch-22. I think Sutter and Treliving are trying to build a team that’s more built for the playoffs. Sutter has had success with these kind of teams in the playoffs but not as much in the regular season. Even the cup winning teams he had in LA were average during the regular season… but dominant in the playoffs.

The struggle will be making the playoffs with this team. I think they could be well built for a playoff grind but they will need all their players bouncing back and on top of their game in the regular season to make up for the lack of offence from the d-men. And maelstrom will have to have a strong year… but that’s pretty much true if any team that makes the playoffs.


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[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Good thing we are in the division with Mcdavid and McKinnon

I heard they have problems with skating

McKinnon is not in our division...

[blender]

Originally Posted by tkflames

McKinnon is not in our division...

Point is we should have acquired MacKinnon or McDavid. Off-season was dreadful.

[timbit]

Should the top 6 F play to their capabilities, the Flames will be fine.

The bottom 6 help the team not to lose. The top 6 make the difference in winning games.

Let’s see if the big shots can handle their part of the deal. I believe the bottom six will handle their responsibilities .

And... yes, after the last 20 months, the top guys, now under Sutter need to stand up, sit down or get out of the way.

Too many dreamers, hoping they’ll get a huge return for Johnny, Sean, Backlund or Tkachuk.

Think again.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by tkflames

McKinnon is not in our division...

Ok no worries then

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by timbit

Should the top 6 F play to their capabilities, the Flames will be fine.

The bottom 6 help the team not to lose. The top 6 make the difference in winning games.

Let’s see if the big shots can handle their part of the deal. I believe the bottom six will handle their responsibilities .

And... yes, after the last 20 months, the top guys, now under Sutter need to stand up, sit down or get out of the way.

Too many dreamers, hoping they’ll get a huge return for Johnny, Sean, Backlund or Tkachuk.

Think again.

Yep people are freaking out about bottom pairings and forward lines

Goal tending and Top 6/Top 4 are gonna make or break it

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by timbit

Should the top 6 F play to their capabilities, the Flames will be fine.

The bottom 6 help the team not to lose. The top 6 make the difference in winning games.

Let’s see if the big shots can handle their part of the deal. I believe the bottom six will handle their responsibilities .

And... yes, after the last 20 months, the top guys, now under Sutter need to stand up, sit down or get out of the way.

Too many dreamers, hoping they’ll get a huge return for Johnny, Sean, Backlund or Tkachuk.

Think again.

The problem is that this same type of post could have been made last year at this time.

Or the year before at this time……

At what point are the “top guys” what they show us they are?

You can’t expect your top guys to be top guys for 82 games. You need more top guys, not Gudbrandons and Stones. And this version can’t get more top guys. So if you’re not gonna take a shot to get Eichel, you gotta blow it up. Throwing it neutral closing your eyes and yelling Jesus take the wheel is not a strategy and if it somehow miraculously works it will not be by design but pure unadulterated luck and the odds of it working are insanely low.

Hoping or expecting Gaudreau to put up 150 points does not make sense. Monahan is a 60 point player, MAYBE. Tkachuk, 60 points. Our best Defenceman- gone.

[dino7c]

You have to hope Coleman and Mangiapane have career years...them on a second line with Monahan could be really good.

I bet they both do

For me it comes down to Markstrom though, IMO the Flames were great under Sutter and the goal tending let them down. Flames were the better team in probably 75% of the games after Sutter took over...fancy stats would back that up I think.


Still take shots at Eichel and whoever else though, its not like the trade deadline is September 11th or October 16th for that matter

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You have to hope Coleman and Mangiapane have career years...them on a second line with Monahan could be really good.

I bet they both do

For me it comes down to Markstrom though, IMO the Flames were great under Sutter and the goal tending let them down. Flames were the better team in probably 75% of the games after Sutter took over...fancy stats would back that up I think.


Still take shots at Eichel and whoever else though, its not like the trade deadline is September 11th or October 16th for that matter

Mostly agree. I think the Wildcards are

Monahan
Markstrom
Valimaki
Andersson

In that order. If they can all find another level/stay healthy (Monahan mostly just stay healthy) This is a playoff team for sure.

Maybe Tkachuk too

[Jiri Hrdina]

Tkachuk for sure. He was pretty terrible for most of the season.
He needs to elevate back to what he was and can be for this team to have any chance.

I would say Tanev is also a bit of a wildcard. He played at such a high level last year - can he sustain that.

[MrMike]

Valimaki and Anderson scare the crap out of me with Gudbranson and Stone being the ones behind them. If they faulted we could be icing an incredibly bad d line.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It’s kind of a catch-22. I think Sutter and Treliving are trying to build a team that’s more built for the playoffs. Sutter has had success with these kind of teams in the playoffs but not as much in the regular season. Even the cup winning teams he had in LA were average during the regular season… but dominant in the playoffs.

The struggle will be making the playoffs with this team. I think they could be well built for a playoff grind but they will need all their players bouncing back and on top of their game in the regular season to make up for the lack of offence from the d-men. And maelstrom will have to have a strong year… but that’s pretty much true if any team that makes the playoffs.


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Agreed.

I said this exact same thing a while ago. It is going to be interesting, and hopefully entertaining, to see how the Flames match up against teams like the Oilers in the regular season.

Flames might be a decent playoff team, but they need to make it there first. And that will not be easy.

Looking forward to seeing how that match up against high octane offensive teams.

[kyuss275]

Eklund giving one of his E4 for Eichel trade to LA. Said it would be Eichel and hagg for 4 pieces. One is a first round pick and the other 3 for young players.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Eklund giving one of his E4 for Eichel trade to LA. Said it would be Eichel and hagg for 4 pieces. One is a first round pick and the other 3 for young players.

LA has no cap space but somehow will pickup $11.6m without giving up much salary

Does he even think.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Does he even think.

We're talking about Eklund here. To ask the question is to know the answer.

[Poe969]

He's probably playing with the salary cap turned off.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You have to hope Coleman and Mangiapane have career years...them on a second line with Monahan could be really good.

I bet they both do

For me it comes down to Markstrom though, IMO the Flames were great under Sutter and the goal tending let them down. Flames were the better team in probably 75% of the games after Sutter took over...fancy stats would back that up I think.


Still take shots at Eichel and whoever else though, its not like the trade deadline is September 11th or October 16th for that matter

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk

was really good down the stretch, albeit mostly after it ceased to matter, so how much stock you put into it I dont know. It did look to be mutually beneficial for both Johnny and Matthew to be put together though, and hoepfully that continues to hold true.

Mangiapane - Monahan - Coleman is very intriguing.

Any one's guess as to how that works but from afar it looks like a good line if Monahan is healthy now.

They absolutely need to be tapped into the Eichel sweepstakes until he is dealt, however long that takes.

I'm not going to say the team is what it is for the year because I think the search for a proper shake up is something that needs to go on indefinitely because no matter how the lines gel, we're not in a position to contend and are still inherently flawed at the top end.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by blender

Point is we should have acquired MacKinnon or McDavid. Off-season was dreadful.

No. Point is in the Atlantic division.