[Trade] Coyotes trade Dvorak to Montreal for a conditional 2022 1st + Habs 2024 2nd

[Knightslayer]

I'm shocked at reading montreal fans reaction to this trade. Seems like an awful one to me but Canadien fans are acting like they rather have Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. No rational fan would want Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. If I'm Montreal I keep the picks and force carolina to pay with a couple great picks. This trade made it better for Carolina.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I'm shocked at reading montreal fans reaction to this trade. Seems like an awful one to me but Canadien fans are acting like they rather have Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. No rational fan would want Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. If I'm Montreal I keep the picks and force carolina to pay with a couple great picks. This trade made it better for Carolina.

Not sure how this changes anything for Carolina. They still lose the same picks.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

If I'm Montreal I keep the picks and force carolina to pay with a couple great picks. This trade made it better for Carolina.

How could they do that? Compensation of a 1st and a 3rd was determined by the offer sheet. Montreal could either take those picks and let KK walk, or match and have to keep him for a year.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is an absolute win if you are not rebuilding. Dvorak is criminally underrated here because people obviously don't know the player. Getting out of Arizona and into a market like Montreal you will soon.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/canadie...-sheet/sn-amp/

Kot was their Sam Bennett, a high pick with untapped potential. Could have been resigned for about 3M bridge deal if it wasn’t for the offer sheet

Now they potentially lose a better 1st rounder, a better later pick, for a guy with lower ceiling.

At best it’s a toss up.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1434290129007431681

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1434290129007431681

Lol, pretty sure he knew he was on the block. He can find a house in Montreal and keep the Arizona house for vacation 😊

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I'm shocked at reading montreal fans reaction to this trade. Seems like an awful one to me but Canadien fans are acting like they rather have Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. No rational fan would want Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. If I'm Montreal I keep the picks and force carolina to pay with a couple great picks. This trade made it better for Carolina.

The trade is irrelevant to Carolina.

And many GM’s would prefer Dvorak over KK.


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[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1434290129007431681

Tough Business? Poor millionaires who get to play a game for a living.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That's a lot to give up for a pretty mediocre player.

Where would he slot in on the Flames?

Dvorak 25 years old 35 goals over the last 2 years 4 x 4.45
Monahan 26 years old 32 goals - 2 x 6.325
Backlund 31 years old 25 goals - 3 x 5.35

There would be plenty of excitement if the Flames were to make the same trade and go into the season with

Gaudreau-Dvorak-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Coleman

as the top-6

[stemit14]

So putting aside how either KK or Dvorak play this season, and focusing only on the picks… what would be the worst case scenario for the Habs? If the Montreal draft pick ended up 11th while the Carolina pick ended up being 32nd? That would mean Arizona gets the 11th overall pick and Montreal gets the 32nd overall pick.

I guess even worse could be if both Carolina and Montreal’s picks end up being top ten picks. Even though Montreal would get to keep the higher of the two picks, they would still end up giving up a top ten pick for Dvorak instead of potentially picking twice in the top ten of what most say is a deep draft with lots of high-end skill.


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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by stemit14

So putting aside how either KK or Dvorak play this season, and focusing only on the picks… what would be the worst case scenario for the Habs? If the Montreal draft pick ended up 11th while the Carolina pick ended up being 32nd? That would mean Arizona gets the 11th overall pick and Montreal gets the 32nd overall pick.

I guess even worse could be if both Carolina and Montreal’s picks end up being top ten picks. Even though Montreal would get to keep the higher of the two picks, they would still end up giving up a top ten pick for Dvorak instead of potentially picking twice in the top ten of what most say is a deep draft with lots of high-end skill.


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The most likely scenario is Montreal’s is 12-20 and Carolina’s is bottom 20s

[btimbit]

I don't hate this for Montreal, I guess I like Dvorak more than most of you

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Where would he slot in on the Flames?

Dvorak 25 years old 35 goals over the last 2 years 4 x 4.45
Monahan 26 years old 32 goals - 2 x 6.325
Backlund 31 years old 25 goals - 3 x 5.35

There would be plenty of excitement if the Flames were to make the same trade and go into the season with

Gaudreau-Dvorak-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Coleman

as the top-6

i don't care where he would slot in on the flames

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I don't hate this for Montreal, I guess I like Dvorak more than most of you

Don’t hate it for Montreal
But would if the Flames made a similar deal

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I'm shocked at reading montreal fans reaction to this trade. Seems like an awful one to me but Canadien fans are acting like they rather have Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. No rational fan would want Dvorak instead of Kotkaniemi. If I'm Montreal I keep the picks and force carolina to pay with a couple great picks. This trade made it better for Carolina.

They're just trying to make themselves feel better about it by forcing themselves to buy into that narrative, and overall trying to side step the fact that they got overall a fair bit worse this offseason after what was purely a cinderella run by a largely mediocre team buoyed by an elite goalie.

[Geeoff]

Arizona roster is literally all cap dumps and Chychrun?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Montreal had to do something to fill in the black hole at centre, but I wouldn’t pay that price if I were the Flames. I suppose if he blows up, good for Montreal, but I don’t see this amazing upgrade on line mates, assuming Dvorak basically swaps in for KK.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Tough Business? Poor millionaires who get to play a game for a living.

This is such a tired take. They don't "get" to play a game for a living. They earned it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s a bold decision and very direct approach.

There is nothing "bold" about this. Coyotes management can do practically anything they want to, and no one will notice or care. They certainly have nothing to lose, which is why decisions like this one are on the contrary easy and quite natural.


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[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don’t hate it for Montreal
But would if the Flames made a similar deal

Not sure I would. It doesn't address a need here, but value wise it's fine