2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dammage79]

Of that list, Bobby Ryan, Alex Galchenyuk and Nikita Gusev are worth a look. I'd take two of them on this roster if they aren't making any trades.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Of that list, Bobby Ryan, Alex Galchenyuk and Nikita Gusev are worth a look. I'd take two of them on this roster if they aren't making any trades.

That’s sad

I guess it’s ok if you compare to the Josh Leivo type signing

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s sad

I guess it’s ok if you compare to the Josh Leivo type signing

Lol, you just can't resist taking a shot at everything Flames.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

?

What's the opposite of interesting?

We're running into another season with the same core after being promised changes. This is not an interesting development.

Oh don't worry, Ryan Leslie and Derek Wills say that Treliving continues to grind away at making a deal. Kudos to Will Nault for not buying into the nonsense and saying that this is the team going to camp.

I would like to know how Treliving spends his days in the off season. Whole lot of nothing happening from what we see (no re-signings, no PTOs, no trades). But at least we have the hardest working GM in the league that is in on every deal, right?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by chummer

Lol, you just can't resist taking a shot at everything Flames.

I don’t know how is that a shot

Must be tough to be a Flames fan and be that freaking sensitive

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I don’t know how is that a shot

Must be tough to be a Flames fan and be that freaking sensitive

I don't know how you could say it isn't a shot.

People get tired of your posts because you post a lot and almost always they are negative. And not in a particularly constructive way.

So if you are going to post that way, expect to get a little bit of flack.

Or you could ask, when posting, if you are actually adding something of value. Or is it just more complaining.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would send Monahan+1st+any top prospect to get Brady. Sign both Tkachuk’s to long term deals and give Matthew the C. Building around the Tkachuk’s playing a Sutter style could make the Flames the top heel in the NHL and just be a brutal team to play against.

Realistically I think Brady is heading to the same type of deal Matthew signed. 3 years at $6M with a quality of offer over 8

I thought they got rid of the qualifying offer being based on the last year's salary in the new CBA. I thought that if the final year of the contract exceeds 120% of the AAV then the qualifying offer is at 120% of the AAV.



https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2020...fer-rules.html

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Oh don't worry, Ryan Leslie and Derek Wills say that Treliving continues to grind away at making a deal. Kudos to Will Nault for not buying into the nonsense and saying that this is the team going to camp.

I would like to know how Treliving spends his days in the off season. Whole lot of nothing happening from what we see (no re-signings, no PTOs, no trades). But at least we have the hardest working GM in the league that is in on every deal, right?

So you're assumption is the following;

- the two more positive radio/tv guys are wrong
- the usually negative radio guy is right
- Treliving has just taken the summer off and isn't doing anything

Seems legit!

Honestly even Treliving hating fans can't honestly think that a lack of major roster change is due to laziness can they?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So you're assumption is the following;

- the two more positive radio/tv guys are wrong
- the usually negative radio guy is right
- Treliving has just taken the summer off and isn't doing anything

Seems legit!

Honestly even Treliving hating fans can't honestly think that a lack of major roster change is due to laziness can they?

No, I would like to know how Treliving spends his days. Maybe he works his bag off, I don't know, none of us do. All we hear is what the media reports in general terms. What entails 'grinding away'? Calling the 31 GMs and asking them every day if their asking price has lessened? Calling Johnny's agent daily to make 10 different proposals?

IIRC, I don't think season ticket holders have had an off season update. Like it or not, there is a consumer confidence issue with this management group. Yeah, imagine it gets tiring hearing all the complaining but to your credit, you've given an outlet for fans to express our collective frustration. All is not well with the Flames and hasn't been for some time. This is the first season where we weren't pushed up against the cap and there was finally some acknowledgement that change was required. And we get Gio out and Coleman in.

If something substantial gets done between now and puck drop, great. He's delivered the change required. If nothing else apart from some fringe depth moves/PTOs, all he's done is put lipstick on the pig.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

No, I would like to know how Treliving spends his days. Maybe he works his bag off, I don't know, none of us do. All we hear is what the media reports in general terms. What entails 'grinding away'? Calling the 31 GMs and asking them every day if their asking price has lessened? Calling Johnny's agent daily to make 10 different proposals?

IIRC, I don't think season ticket holders have had an off season update. Like it or not, there is a consumer confidence issue with this management group. Yeah, imagine it gets tiring hearing all the complaining but to your credit, you've given an outlet for fans to express our collective frustration. All is not well with the Flames and hasn't been for some time. This is the first season where we weren't pushed up against the cap and there was finally some acknowledgement that change was required. And we get Gio out and Coleman in.

If something substantial gets done between now and puck drop, great. He's delivered the change required. If nothing else apart from some fringe depth moves/PTOs, all he's done is put lipstick on the pig.

I was hoping for more substantive change but if not the approach seems to be:
- Give Sutter a full season with the group
- Give him more players that align to his style of hockey

Could succeed or fail but there's some degree of rationality to that approach. Particularly if the market simply isn't there for the players they want to move.

And I do think they are in on Eichel and see that as a unique opportunity, and therefore potentially held back other moves to keep that on the table.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

No, I would like to know how Treliving spends his days. Maybe he works his bag off, I don't know, none of us do. All we hear is what the media reports in general terms. What entails 'grinding away'? Calling the 31 GMs and asking them every day if their asking price has lessened? Calling Johnny's agent daily to make 10 different proposals?

IIRC, I don't think season ticket holders have had an off season update. Like it or not, there is a consumer confidence issue with this management group. Yeah, imagine it gets tiring hearing all the complaining but to your credit, you've given an outlet for fans to express our collective frustration. All is not well with the Flames and hasn't been for some time. This is the first season where we weren't pushed up against the cap and there was finally some acknowledgement that change was required. And we get Gio out and Coleman in.

If something substantial gets done between now and puck drop, great. He's delivered the change required. If nothing else apart from some fringe depth moves/PTOs, all he's done is put lipstick on the pig.

I have no problem with your summary, and the frustration with the lack of change.

I just don't get the leap into doubting he's trying.

A GM can't just commit to change and then just go through with it regardless of the value he's finding on the players he's trying to move. That would be a disaster.

Nothing about Treliving suggests he's just learning how to barefoot waterski this summer.

Would you honestly prefer change for the sake of change with pennies on the dollar in returns?

[868904]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Of that list, Bobby Ryan, Alex Galchenyuk and Nikita Gusev are worth a look. I'd take two of them on this roster if they aren't making any trades.

Gusev seemed to have really good chemistry with Coleman but he does not seem like a Sutter type. Plus the Flames are small and soft as it is already.

[dammage79]

Re: Treliving

If this is what the roster looks like heading into camp after he publicly announced major changes then I can only summarize the offseason as a major failure.

If he can't get it done or has lost the ears on the other end of the phone line then he should be replaced.

I get the feeling Treliving being the bridesmaid on some of the trades that fell through has placed him at the kids table so to speak.

I'm not properly expressing my thoughts here I think.

One more try.

He tries, comes up short more often than not and has fizzled.
Perhaps a fresh voice on the phone at the Flames table can move things along.

I respect what Tree has tried to do over the years but you can't accept responsibility for the rosters failures, announce major changes are coming and end up doing nothing more than sign a FA or two and think that's acceptable performance.

Ppl around CP have been calling for his head for two years. This is supposed to be the offseason he rights the ship.

So far, hes used a few rolls of duct tape.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by 868904

Gusev seemed to have really good chemistry with Coleman but he does not seem like a Sutter type. Plus the Flames are small and soft as it is already.

Are the Flames mall and soft compared to last season? Seems they've beefed up a fair bit. No one should want Gusev for anything but scoring potential. That's what he brings. Right shot scoring potential. Stacking the 2nd powerplay unit with more offensive threats. It's why I also like Ryan. May not be able to do much more than PP specialist and an odd 5v5 goal here and there but they're much better options than Leivo or Nordstrom or....gawd what's the other ones name from last season....oh Dom Simon.

[Toonage]

Yep. We don't know what all he is trying to do or how hard he is trying behind the scenes. We can only judge by what has been accomplished to this point. And right now its the same core, less the captain and a few potentially impactful players and a full year ahead with a proven head coach.

So nothing to necessarily get excited about, but there is potential. Still, its hard not to feel disappointed.

I 100% agree with the idea that a fresh voice for the Flames could do wonders when it comes to roster maneuvering and I think we get that next year if things play out like they did last season.

[868904]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Are the Flames mall and soft compared to last season? Seems they've beefed up a fair bit. No one should want Gusev for anything but scoring potential. That's what he brings. Right shot scoring potential. Stacking the 2nd powerplay unit with more offensive threats. It's why I also like Ryan. May not be able to do much more than PP specialist and an odd 5v5 goal here and there but they're much better options than Leivo or Nordstrom or....gawd what's the other ones name from last season....oh Dom Simon.

Small for a Sutter team.

It’d be an interesting roster though:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Coleman-Mony-Gusev
Mangiapane-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Dube-Lewis/Ritchie

Not saying Coleman and Gusev deserve “Top 6” over Mangiapane, but if you are going to play them together, they need to play with the more offensive centre in Monahan.

[Monahammer]

I like signing Gusev and Stone as options if there's really nothing on the trade table.

Like it more than nothing at least.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I like signing Gusev and Stone as options if there's really nothing on the trade table.

Like it more than nothing at least.

I do as well.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund/Monahan - Coleman
Dube - Monahan/Backlund - Gusez
Lucic - Ruzicka - Pitlick
Lewis/Ritchie

Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Kylington - Zadarov
Stone

That's how I'd draw it up (I think Tanev/Valimaki should be the pair to help Valimaki develop, which this team desperately needs).

...if there is in fact nothing on the trade table.

[MrMike]

Honestly I’m more worried about Andersson and Valimaki having as big of roles as expected. I think as of right now they both slot too high for where they should. Really hope one has a career year and the other one is at least average.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Honestly I’m more worried about Andersson and Valimaki having as big of roles as expected. I think as of right now they both slot too high for where they should. Really hope one has a career year and the other one is at least average.

We need both to establish themselves as higher end top-4 defenceman. Without that happening?