Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Gaskal]

If you've got a verifiable source then pretty sure a mod just has to PM you asking for details and then vet it pubicly no? Otherwise its rumor mongering when you insinuate insider knowledge that others aren't privy to. I mean we're talking an actual offer here... one that isn't just armchair GMing.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jesus, Jack Eichel is not going to turn into Gary Leeman. This place is getting wonky.

He is having back surgery. Fifty fifty at best for a pro athlete. What if he comes back at half or 3/4? You just traded four top sixes for a top six you can no longer move. Now that WOULD be a Calgary move.
I would rather have Hertl.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If you've got a verifiable source then pretty sure a mod just has to PM you asking for details and then vet it pubicly no? Otherwise its rumor mongering when you insinuate insider knowledge that others aren't privy to. I mean we're talking an actual offer here... one that isn't just armchair GMing.

I never insinuated insider knowledge. My initial post says "likely". I did not word that post in that it was breaking news.

[Moneyhands23]

September 1st and not much going. I gotta say I'm surprised this is going do long. Both the Eichel "trade and johnny not being signed.

Training camp getting so close

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I never insinuated insider knowledge. My initial post says "likely". I did not word that post in that it was breaking news.

You definitely did though, why else would the person who allegedly told you (if not a figment of your own imagination) desire to remain anonymous then?

Lame.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Are we trying to make sure people never share anything ever again?
Why do people attack people that post some sort of insight?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

September 1st and not much going. I gotta say I'm surprised this is going do long. Both the Eichel "trade and johnny not being signed.

Training camp getting so close

Johnny has a year left on his contract. That should really not be surprising

Also Eichel has an absolute boatload of uncertainty due to requiring neck surgery. So the valuation and risk management comes in to play. Depending on the outcome, one of the teams involved could look very foolish and hurt themselves long term

If you value Eichel assuming he is going to be fully healthy, then expend significant assets to acquire him, and things go south, you have torpedoed your franchise

If you value him assuming he is at significant risk of not coming back, and Buffalo takes that return, then he turns out to recover, then they are holding the bag

Do you see Treliving as aggressive or as risk averse?

I’m actually surprised at anyone being surprised

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fan69

He is having back surgery. Fifty fifty at best for a pro athlete. What if he comes back at half or 3/4? You just traded four top sixes for a top six you can no longer move. Now that WOULD be a Calgary move.
I would rather have Hertl.

50/50 my ass. He is having a disc replacement, it is more like 98% he recovers fully and goes on to have a great career. You really should do your homework about the actual procedure and recovery outlook than saying something ridiculous.

[FlamesAddiction]

I have no idea the exact offers that teams have made for Eichel, but I think it's safe to assume that multiple teams made significant offers already and Buffalo refused them all at this point.

I don't see teams wanting to go higher at this point as Eichel is almost certainly going to miss a portion of the regular season and may not be 100% at all next season depending on which medical opinions you want to side with.

Buffalo put themselves in a position now where they either back track on the offers they already received and see if they are still on the table, or accept less than they were already offered, which IMO, would put management on the hot seat for making such an error.

The other option of course is riding it out until December or so, when teams have a better idea of where they stand and new offers looking towards 2022-2023 start coming in, which might reset the bar for Buffalo.

If I was a betting person, I would think Buffalo is going to hold tight and try to reset the value in a few months. Just a guess.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

50/50 my ass. He is having a disc replacement, it is more like 98% he recovers fully and goes on to have a great career. You really should do your homework about the actual procedure and recovery outlook than saying something ridiculous.

As should you. 98% is a gross exaggeration. For a performance athlete, this is a risky proposition and many that have these procedures do so just in the hopes of having a return to a normal life, not return to the arena where their injury likely occurred or could be exacerbated. Spinal injuries are risky and there are no guarantees.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

As should you. 98% is a gross exaggeration. For a performance athlete, this is a risky proposition and many that have these procedures do so just in the hopes of having a return to a normal life, not return to the arena where their injury likely occurred or could be exacerbated. Spinal injuries are risky and there are no guarantees.

Yeah, I don't see why if it was that sure of a thing, Buffalo wouldn't have agreed to it. There is obviously some debate among the medical community and even likely insurance issues if they are going to go against their own hired medical opinions.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have no idea the exact offers that teams have made for Eichel, but I think it's safe to assume that multiple teams made significant offers already and Buffalo refused them all at this point.

I don't see teams wanting to go higher at this point as Eichel is almost certainly going to miss a portion of the regular season and may not be 100% at all next season depending on which medical opinions you want to side with.

Buffalo put themselves in a position now where they either back track on the offers they already received and see if they are still on the table, or accept less than they were already offered, which IMO, would put management on the hot seat for making such an error.

The other option of course is riding it out until December or so, when teams have a better idea of where they stand and new offers looking towards 2022-2023 start coming in, which might reset the bar for Buffalo.

If I was a betting person, I would think Buffalo is going to hold tight and try to reset the value in a few months. Just a guess.

I am getting the idea that is the plan, since there are now rumors the procedure will happen. I think it became pretty clear that Buffalo set the price way too high, and no one was willing to play ball. I imagine that NYI finally dropping the details of their signings is a sign that the last few deals to be made will begin to happen.

It's certainly a risk for Buffalo, if there are issues with the surgery or recovery, almost any offer made will be worth more than what they have. And even if not, if a team can't swing a deal mid season (when you cannot exceed cap, and will also have a better idea of where you will be picking in the draft) then they will have to contend with the NMC of a very expensive, very disgruntled player. And if you are a team who knows that you are the ONLY team Jack is willing to go to, your prices just went way down, or you will be able to dump just awful cap hits the other way.

[Manhattanboy]

A long time excellent poster suggests a trade package that in his view was likely offered and gets grilled.

People need to step back a bit.

[bdubbs]

I think people are too thin-skinned around here, personally. If you post something, anything, be prepared to defend it--or don't. Nobody has to reply to anybody if they don't feel like it.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

A long time excellent poster suggests a trade package that in his view was likely offered and gets grilled.

People need to step back a bit.

Said poster just tried to finger wave someone else for posting something they didn't want to read in another thread.

Seems like the world just balancing itself out. Knowing EE, he can fight his own battles just fine.

[dino7c]

I think its rather unlikely that some rando knows the exact offer the Flames made or didn't make...but this is a rumors/speculation thread after all so who cares

They still have that Orange Julius in Sunridge mall?

[Knut]

I think it is a reasonable extrapolation of what other teams rumoured offers are.

[Knut]

Also, the best part about making a deal with Buffalo is that they have a terrible time developing prospects. So you deal them prospects and they will bust thus you will win the deal in the long run.

[GioforPM]

Well, I for one am curious about EE’s anonymous source. Like how well placed it might be.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Said poster just tried to finger wave someone else for posting something they didn't want to read in another thread.

Seems like the world just balancing itself out. Knowing EE, he can fight his own battles just fine.

Hey Pepsi surely you can see the difference here as I’m not posting Trudeau jokes in a Flames thread.