[News] UPD: Habs do not match Canes offer sheet to Jesperi Kotkaniemi (1 yr, $6.1 mil)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The thing is he's kind of Bennett-ish. Underwhelms in the regular season and looks like he's a career bottom 6 guy, but then in the playoffs he's suddenly a different player. Florida seems to like how that's worked out with Sam.

I'm on the fence overall. Obviously if the Habs match you're no better or worse off, but if they don't, this is a gamble on a) fit for Kotkaniemi (they bet he takes a step forward and looks like a good middle six C) and b) the first rounder (they bet they make the playoffs and do well enough that it's not top 15). Not sure I love those bets. From Montreal's perspective, unless they get a miraculously good outcome with the 1st rounder, either decision is a bad outcome. But they just went to the SCF, so they have a bit of a honeymoon period here if they let him walk and fall out of the playoffs this season (not that I think Kotkaniemi is what's keeping them in the playoffs - just that Bergevin & co. have some breathing room for a poor season / moves that would ordinarily piss off the fans).

Bennett as a 21-year old after his D+3 season where he missed most of his first season with an injury

159 games 31 goals 63 pts .4 ppg playoffs 15 games 5 goal 6 pts .4 ppg

Best Year D+2

Kotkaniemi

171 games 22 goals 63 pts .37 ppg playoffs 29 games 9 goals 12 pts .41 ppg

Best year D+1



Bennett's D+4 year contract 1.95 X 2

[Enoch Root]

I think fans overvalue draft picks. Yes, Carolina is massively overpaying for a year, but then they sign him to a long term deal for a reasonable value (sounds like those discussions have already been had), and they just acquired a good young C for a (likely) late 1st and a 3rd.

From Montreal's perspective, it is a lose either way. They are screwed if they match, and they have a huge hole at C if they don't. Hab fans won't be keen to returning to being a non-playoff team so quickly. In the end though, I think they should take the picks and try to use them for another C.

My first thought was throw the 2 picks onto the current offer that he has for Eichel. Whatever he was prepared to offer before, plus the 2 CAR picks.

Can Treliving offer Monahan for the two CAR picks, plus whatever add might be required? Then add those 2 picks to the current outstanding offer for Eichel.

Coronato, 2 1sts and a 3rd in 2022, and a 2nd in 2023 for Eichel

Net cost for the Flames: Monahan + Coronato + 2022 1st + 2023 2nd

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by flambers

Oh I get it, from the Hurricanes side.... Its a really good move

Player however, should have never agreed to the $20 bonus..

Huge mistake in my opinion

Why is that a mistake? Signing bonus makes no difference, other than the money is received now instead of over the course of the season. You understand that signing bonuses are included in the contract amount, right? They aren't in addition to.

$6.1M salary and no bonus is the same as $3.1M salary plus $3M bonus (other than timing)

The $20 was poetic salt for Montreal to swallow, but had no impact on JK whatsoever.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't mind the strategy behind the move, and I think they've structured it in such a way that it has a chance
But partly because the payer just isn't that good. And that's the issue - this isn't a guy I would be throwing that kind of coin at. Even if there is another long-term in the back pocket, there is just little about Kotkaniemi that has impressed me.

I think he is still young enough at 21 that Carolina thinks they will be to salvage and help his development. This one will be interesting to what play out and compare the picks and/or player to Kotkaniemi's development.

[Enoch Root]

Note: yes, I understand that there are other complications regarding bonuses, for instance that they are paid even in a strike season, etc

However, in this case, on a one-year deal starting right now, it has no material impact.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Sooooooooooo... what would you do if someone offer-sheeted Mangiapane next year for $6.1M. Would you match?

Only if the offer included an $88 signing bonus.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1432089190448066565

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think fans overvalue draft picks. Yes, Carolina is massively overpaying for a year, but then they sign him to a long term deal for a reasonable value (sounds like those discussions have already been had), and they just acquired a good young C for a (likely) late 1st and a 3rd.

From Montreal's perspective, it is a lose either way. They are screwed if they match, and they have a huge hole at C if they don't. Hab fans won't be keen to returning to being a non-playoff team so quickly. In the end though, I think they should take the picks and try to use them for another C.

My first thought was throw the 2 picks onto the current offer that he has for Eichel. Whatever he was prepared to offer before, plus the 2 CAR picks.

Can Treliving offer Monahan for the two CAR picks, plus whatever add might be required? Then add those 2 picks to the current outstanding offer for Eichel.

Coronato, 2 1sts and a 3rd in 2022, and a 2nd in 2023 for Eichel

Net cost for the Flames: Monahan + Coronato + 2022 1st + 2023 2nd

That is interesting. Swoop in and offer them Monahan for the speculated Dvorak package. 1st + 3rd is probably a fair return for Monahan at this point, too.

Sign me up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It’s pretty brilliant. The Habs basically have to match as they can’t let him go with their C situation.

This is likely what would happen way more often if GMs really wanted to win and not try and belong to the hockey old boys club.

Won't be very brilliant nor help them win if they pay a 29 point player over 6M

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why is that a mistake? Signing bonus makes no difference, other than the money is received now instead of over the course of the season. You understand that signing bonuses are included in the contract amount, right? They aren't in addition to.

$6.1M salary and no bonus is the same as $3.1M salary plus $3M bonus (other than timing)

The $20 was poetic salt for Montreal to swallow, but had no impact on JK whatsoever.

It will impact JK...he burned his own team

[Rhettzky]

When do we find out if they matched or not?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

When do we find out if they matched or not?

They have a week from when he signed the offer to make their decision.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

They have a week from when he signed the offer to make their decision.

And they are going to use it all.

[Stockton Heat Prez]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1432089190448066565

This is really misleading to me… if he was in the AHL scoring point per game or more during age 19 and 20 seasons, which I think it’s likely that he would in that context, his star potential would be greater than 50% on that model.

Context matters, and has the appearance of an over advancement by the organization, skipping required development time for the player and putting him in situations he wasn’t ready.


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[cannon7]

This kid is on the verge of a breakout year. Worth the gamble, IMO.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It will impact JK...he burned his own team

If the Habs match I am sure he will survive. He has 6.1 million dollars to comfort him and if the Habs do not offer him a deal he likes he can walk at the end of the year..

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Habs match I am sure he will survive. He has 6.1 million dollars to comfort him and if the Habs do not offer him a deal he likes he can walk at the end of the year..

Sure but he could have told them to take the $20 out...fans, team mates, and management won't think it's very funny. Hockey is a small community you don't really want to burn any bridges.

They kinda used him to play games here, surprised the agent went along with it.

[btimbit]

The player took the best deal available to him, nobody within the game is gonna blame him.

[topfiverecords]

He can give Bergevin a twenty on his way out.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1432089190448066565

“Will likely never be worth $6M”

What a dumb claim to make about a Center that was drafted 3rd overall just 3 years ago.