2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by toonage

don't think i've seen it here yet, jordie benn signed with minnesota

https://twitter.com/user/status/1431334837496041479

[gvitaly]

PLD had a very mediocre season in WPG, could he be a potential buy low target? What would it take? Would a deal like Monahan for PLD even make sense for any team? or do the Jets have different needs this off-season?

[Heavy Jack]

I wasn’t really thrilled at the thought of a PLD for Monahan trade when he was coming from Columbus and if that trade happened now with Winnipeg I’d be furious after the season PLD just had. Monahan continues to be criminally underrated by his own fans.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I wasn’t really thrilled at the thought of a PLD for Monahan trade when he was coming from Columbus and if that trade happened now with Winnipeg I’d be furious after the season PLD just had. Monahan continues to be criminally underrated by his own fans.

I wasn't trying to undervalue Monahan... so you can stop being outraged. Maybe I just over value PLD, because I think he is better on the defensive side of the puck. Again I could be wrong, but he seems like a player that will rebound. I'm not as sure about Monahan.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I wasn’t really thrilled at the thought of a PLD for Monahan trade when he was coming from Columbus and if that trade happened now with Winnipeg I’d be furious after the season PLD just had. Monahan continues to be criminally underrated by his own fans.

Lol. No, not anymore. I think Monahan as a 2nd line Center is appropriate, though fears of further regression (largely due to injury) are not unfounded.

I'd do a PLD for Monahan trade in a heartbeat. Winnipeg wouldn't, though.

[Samonadreau]

How does a Limited NTC work? Does the player submit a list and its set for the duration of the ntc or can they change at certain times?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

How does a Limited NTC work? Does the player submit a list and its set for the duration of the ntc or can they change at certain times?

I think they give it when the team requests for a specific trade, so imagine they can change it. Not entirely sure. Could be wrong. Gaudreau could put Tampa, Edmonton, Vancouver, and Seattle on his. So he full control where he is going.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

How does a Limited NTC work? Does the player submit a list and its set for the duration of the ntc or can they change at certain times?

I am not 100% sure, but my understanding was that it can be different based on the wording in the contract. A player might be required to submit a list by a certain date each year. He might also have a date when he can revise it. It might not be related to a specific date, but only provided when/if the club requests it. I am pretty sure each contract can be slightly different, depending on what better suits the player, team and agent/lawyers at the time of signing.

• The player's contract includes specific terms in respect to being traded without their consent where the player must:
  • In a specified timeframe or window:
    • Specify a pre-determined number of teams the player would be willing to be traded to, or:
    • Specify a pre-determined number of teams the player would not be willing to be traded to

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#m-ntc

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I wasn’t really thrilled at the thought of a PLD for Monahan trade when he was coming from Columbus and if that trade happened now with Winnipeg I’d be furious after the season PLD just had. Monahan continues to be criminally underrated by his own fans.

Yup, and at least Monahan always looks like he's trying and gives a s**t. PLD, not so much. I also believe a healthy Monahan is a great 2nd line center. Let's just hope he's healthy.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

How does a Limited NTC work? Does the player submit a list and its set for the duration of the ntc or can they change at certain times?

It depends on how it is negotiated and how much leverage the player has.

The most common one is the player submits a list on July 1st every year and the list needs to be updated every July 1. The date can vary on contracts, again, depending on how it was negotiated.

Some, the player has to provide a list within a certain amount of time (usually 48 hours) of the team requesting the list.

There are really no real limitations on how limited NTCs work in the CBA. So the rules on how and when the lists are made is up to the wording in the contract.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by chedder

Yup, and at least Monahan always looks like he's trying and gives a s**t. PLD, not so much. I also believe a healthy Monahan is a great 2nd line center. Let's just hope he's healthy.

PLD did have a well documented fallout with Torts. He also seemed off last season. Personally, I think it is very difficult for a young guy to move in a COVID world, and move to WPG out of all places. I am guessing of course, but I think that he is a player that will be much improved this season.

The guy is 23, is only paid $5M this season, after which he's an RFA. He also looked primed to become a number 1 center both defensively and offensively before last season.

As for Monahan, I wasn't trying to say he was bad. I just made a hypothetical 1 for 1 trade. I don't think PLD can be had for Backlund for example. I doubt WPG wants futures/prospects. Also, I don't see Monahan as a 2nd line C mostly because I expect my 2nd line C to be responsible defensively.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Lol. No, not anymore. I think Monahan as a 2nd line Center is appropriate, though fears of further regression (largely due to injury) are not unfounded.

I'd do a PLD for Monahan trade in a heartbeat. Winnipeg wouldn't, though.

You’re nuts then. Dubois played at a 37 point pace last season. I’m as ready to trade Monahan as anyone but if PLD is the return that’s a massive failure.

The only thing PLD has on Monahan is age. That’s it.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

You’re nuts then. Dubois played at a 37 point pace last season. I’m as ready to trade Monahan as anyone but if PLD is the return that’s a massive failure.

The only thing PLD has on Monahan is age. That’s it.

Compared to that Herculean 46 point pace of Monahan, on top line, getting top power play minutes.

Dubois had to adjust to a new market, coaching staff, and sheltered minutes in comparison to his CBJ days. And is 3 years younger than Monahan.

Do people think we could do better than Dubois in a trade for Monahan?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

PLD had a very mediocre season in WPG, could he be a potential buy low target? What would it take? Would a deal like Monahan for PLD even make sense for any team? or do the Jets have different needs this off-season?

Not for the Jets that’s for sure.

The Jets needs are like any team, healthy players.


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[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Compared to that Herculean 46 point pace of Monahan, on top line, getting top power play minutes.

Dubois had to adjust to a new market, coaching staff, and sheltered minutes in comparison to his CBJ days. And is 3 years younger than Monahan.

Do people think we could do better than Dubois in a trade for Monahan?

The last thing the Flames need is another 3rd line LW. Dubois won't replace Gaudreau or Tkachuk. The Flames don't need to get thinner at C. And they don't need to trade a player who got more PPG while playing injured for a return who got fewer PPG while healthy. That's inexcusably poor asset management. And yes, the difference in points is significant, Monahan had 39% more PPG than Dubois. Yes, Monahan had 2 min ATOI more than Dubois (about 13% more), but as to the line, most people on this forum didn't consider the Monahan line the Flames' top line for the majority of the season, and considering that the line usually had a tweener scrub playing RW, I'd say that assessment was spot on.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not for the Jets that’s for sure.

The Jets needs are like any team, healthy players.


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How healthy is Sean right now?

Anybody know?

Crickets...

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by timbit

How healthy is Sean right now?

Anybody know?

Crickets...

Well, here’s the original plan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1392511062725971969

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by timbit

How healthy is Sean right now?

Anybody know?

Crickets...

He is totally healthy and refreshed like he is every year

Until he is not

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

The last thing the Flames need is another 3rd line LW. Dubois won't replace Gaudreau or Tkachuk. The Flames don't need to get thinner at C. And they don't need to trade a player who got more PPG while playing injured for a return who got fewer PPG while healthy. That's inexcusably poor asset management. And yes, the difference in points is significant, Monahan had 39% more PPG than Dubois. Yes, Monahan had 2 min ATOI more than Dubois (about 13% more), but as to the line, most people on this forum didn't consider the Monahan line the Flames' top line for the majority of the season, and considering that the line usually had a tweener scrub playing RW, I'd say that assessment was spot on.

I’m not making this personal, but this feeds into the narrative that we need change but expect that rival gms are prepared to pay a premium for a broken down Monahan which is highly unlikely. If Monahan is moved, I fully expect people to be disappointed in the return. He’s injury prone and coming off a down season. Players like that don’t generate a fair return.

If you move Monahan, you are doing so to change the culture and move on, not to win a trade. You are probably getting a less skilled player, or another player Coming off a down season or with injury concerns.

Those of us clamoring for change have to be prepared that we may not get perceived full value for the player and we can’t have it both ways. If we want the team to move on from members of the core, the return may not be what we want.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by timbit

How healthy is Sean right now?

Anybody know?

Crickets...

Could recovery news be holding up a Monahan ++ for Eichel deal?