2021 Blue Jays Season Thread

[nieuwy-89]

They’ve had their chances late tonight but still issues with discipline at the plate. That Palacio swing was one of the ugliest I’ve seen.

[flamingred89]

I want to launch Grichuk into the sun but is that not the exact time to use a player like him? bottom of 9 with runners on and you hope he runs into one? I think you have to pinch hit for Palacious there.

[Kasi]

Not like Berrios has been good the last three starts but I’m surprised they have him after Manoah. The two have very similar pitching styles/profiles and I think it would be good to stick a lefty in between them.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Not like Berrios has been good the last three starts but I’m surprised they have him after Manoah. The two have very similar pitching styles/profiles and I think it would be good to stick a lefty in between them.

Yup, mix it up a bit.

Ray
Manoah
Ryu
Berrios
Mats/Stripling/whatever

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

I want to launch Grichuk into the sun but is that not the exact time to use a player like him? bottom of 9 with runners on and you hope he runs into one? I think you have to pinch hit for Palacious there.

Takes Kirk out and sends in Valero to bunt.

Doesn't pinch hit for Palacios who was 0-3 with 3 Ks.

[Enoch Root]

And a closer actually throwing more than one inning? What is this magic?

[Samonadreau]

I couldn't believe they didn't PH in Palacios spot. I know we pour on Montoya but what in the actual hell. Reese Mcguire is in there if it's any other Manager. Tell me I'm wrong.

[KelVarnsen]

Or even gasp Grichuck

[Enoch Root]

Grichuk, and then he can stay in the field

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Grichuk, and then he can stay in the field

Kirk was pinch ran for. Mcguire's in anyways. Either way your putting them both out. I take Mcguire to get on and keep it 1 out.

[GirlySports]

I don't know if Montoyo is managing by feel or by analytics or just doesn't have a clue.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1430534175950393354

[Ducay]

Montoyo seems to (sometimes) have decent rationale for his decisions, but the proof is in the pudding - every choice he seems to make ends up being the wrong one. Guy needs to be turfed, yersterday.

GM has assembled a strong group of guys and Montoyo is taking that good hand and blowing it.

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Kirk was pinch ran for. Mcguire's in anyways. Either way your putting them both out. I take Mcguire to get on and keep it 1 out.

Mcguire's had some amazingly clutch AB's lately too. Grichuk likely GIDP or K's but on the 1% he closes his eyes and gets a hold of one it's a tie game. Pretty much the only reason you don't DFA Grichuk is for his above average power in situations like that.

Either or is a better call than leaving Palacios in. ####ing Montoyo.

[bluejays]

What’s a paradox to me about Montoya’s situation is what does upper management think? And when they speak with him in private, do they let him just make us own decisions or try and guide him? I tend to think in any corporate environment there’s a coaching aspect from above, and upper management is providing him the strategy for a variety of reasons. If I’m being realistic he’s carrying out management’s orders based on philosophy. The reasoning I believe they have such a short leash on starters is if any one of those guys goes down, the already #### bullpen carries a bigger load.

Anyway, I don’t like Charlie as the Manager, but if I’m being fair he’s probably obeying orders from above.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by fleury

What’s a paradox to me about Montoya’s situation is what does upper management think? And when they speak with him in private, do they let him just make us own decisions or try and guide him? I tend to think in any corporate environment there’s a coaching aspect from above, and upper management is providing him the strategy for a variety of reasons. If I’m being realistic he’s carrying out management’s orders based on philosophy. The reasoning I believe they have such a short leash on starters is if any one of those guys goes down, the already #### bullpen carries a bigger load.

Anyway, I don’t like Charlie as the Manager, but if I’m being fair he’s probably obeying orders from above.

Most decisions are 'in game' things, where he would be on his own.

However, there are definitely philosophical, and team management issues that are longer term in nature and bigger in scope, and your example is a great one - that they want to manage the total innings on their starters. No question that management is involved, and dictating those strategies, on a general, over-arching level.

However, even those need to be implemented on a daily basis. The decision to pull the starter now, or send him out to start the next inning, those types of things are still called on the spot, by him (unless mgmt is texting him in-game lol)

His problem is that he can't pivot. He doesn't have a good feel for the game and the moment, and what is required at that moment. It's like he has pre-determined what he wants to do, and runs with it, regardless of how the game is evolving.

[DoubleK]

I wonder what horrors this team will subject us to this game?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I wonder what horrors this team will subject us to this game?

I'll let you know in the 7th inning or more

[flamingred89]

Wont even have to wait until the 7th inning. Team is already 0-2 for RISP and the game just started.

[KelVarnsen]

I think the camera operator has a crush on LaRussa