Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

how is this team making the playoffs sans Gio and all the pieces we give up for Eichel if Eichel is out for the season

We don’t. That would be bottom lottery team. Likely without a 1st round pick.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

how is this team making the playoffs sans Gio and all the pieces we give up for Eichel if Eichel is out for the season

It’s a three part equation.

1. A great coach
2. A weak division
3. Excellent goaltending

The first two are a given. Playoffs are attainable if Markstrom matches his previous highs and Vlader is at least average as a backup.

[dino7c]

The Flames in a disaster of a year where almost everything went wrong were still 3rd in points percentage of Pacific division teams

Flames were actually pretty dominant under Sutter most nights but for some major mistakes and average at best goal tending

If its Monahan and futures for Eichel they don't miss a beat IMO...Coleman is a better all around player IMO

If Tkachuck is out you would need to add something besides Eichel

[djsFlames]

They'll be fine in the pacific, even just breaking .500 by a couple games would probably get them in - just because of the division.

But that can't be seen as an indicator of the team getting better. They'd have to make nosie. As they are, they still won't be able to go toe to toe with a proper team in a series.

Eichel + Markstrom are pieces you can go on a run around, like with Iggy + Kipper. You at least have a chance with guys with elite skillsets leading the way in net and up front. But we need that forward catalyst. There are really none as is. These guys chip in, but no one takes the team on their back and wins their battles against top lines.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

How has the guy with the broken neck been the last couple seasons?

Because Eichel has elite talent and has still performed fine during his injuries, multiple teams are interested in him.

Teams are not lining up for Monny. A healthy Monny's best bet to produce big is actually playing wing to Eichel.

While Monny could be essentially a cap dump in a trade for Eichel, he'll need to prove himself healthy and productive before he's a major trade chip. Best for Calgary to see that out.

[robertsfanatic]

Would any of our CP capologists be able to answer this (convoluted) question for me?

If Eichel was acquired without sending back any meaningful salary and then placed on LTIR after surgery, at what point in the season would be be able to return so that our current cap space would be enough on a pro-rated basis? Is this even possible?

I checked for a calculator on capfriendly but didn't see one.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

Would any of our CP capologists be able to answer this (convoluted) question for me?

If Eichel was acquired without sending back any meaningful salary and then placed on LTIR after surgery, at what point in the season would be be able to return so that our current cap space would be enough on a pro-rated basis? Is this even possible?

I checked for a calculator on capfriendly but didn't see one.

Isn't that the equivalent (to a degree) of what TBL did with Kucherov?


If so, then Game one of the first round I would think.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Monahan is a non starter as a centre piece for Eichel. I mean if you as a fan know that Monahan has not been the same player the last two seasons, they will know, too.

Well we as fans know that Eichel has a career threatening neck injury. If we know, the GM knows too, so I doubt he's willing to give up the farm to obtain a potential dud of a player.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Isn't that the equivalent (to a degree) of what TBL did with Kucherov?


If so, then Game one of the first round I would think.

but Tampa had zero cap room the whole year while we will have approximately 4 million after the RFA's are signed.

[SportsJunky]

From the Athletic's John Vogl this morning:

I can’t believe the Sabres went through the draft and free agency without trading him. Eichel’s camp can’t believe it, either. Teams that had assets and cap space don’t have them anymore. The deal got harder to make, but it’s going to get made sometime before training camp in mid-September.

From the sounds of things, there haven’t been many negotiations during this saga. The Sabres have an asking price. Teams either meet it or they don’t.

Obviously, no one has met it these last fourth months (or the last 12 if you’re the Rangers). Despite words to the contrary, Adams knows he can’t bring Eichel back. While I wouldn’t say he has to “become realistic,” I would say the GM needs to lower his demands at least a little. It’s understandable why he hasn’t — you get only one chance to trade a franchise center — but no one else is blinking.

[Roof-Daddy]

Come on Adams you moron.

Punish Jack by sending him to the cold Canadian north on a team that didn't even make the playoffs last season.

You don't want to send him to sunny California, or a contender like Vegas. And you certainly don't want him going to the NY Rangers. That would make Eichel very happy.

Get it done you butthead.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Adams is holding out with the hope of a Duchene-like overpayment. What he fails to understand is the value he’s seeking is for Eichel at 100%. He’s not, so he needs to drop the value.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

but Tampa had zero cap room the whole year while we will have approximately 4 million after the RFA's are signed.

Unless it's changed, the way I understand it if the Flames acquired Eichel without moving out salary, they would be over the cap. By putting Eichel on LTIR they would be allowed to exceed the cap by as much as $10 million, but would still technically be over the cap. He would not be allowed to return until the Flames moved enough salary out, or until the season ended / playoffs started.

What you are thinking is that they would be banking cap space as the season progressed with him on LTIR? I don't believe it works that way.

I don't know how long Eichel would be expected to be out for, but I don't think he'd miss the whole season. If they could stretch it out though and pull a "Tampa Bay" style cap circumvention, they could keep the current roster as it is to give them the best chance at making the playoffs, and then add Eichel for round 1.

Trade only picks and prospects for Eichel.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Flames in a disaster of a year where almost everything went wrong were still 3rd in points percentage of Pacific division teams

Flames were actually pretty dominant under Sutter most nights but for some major mistakes and average at best goal tending

If its Monahan and futures for Eichel they don't miss a beat IMO...Coleman is a better all around player IMO

If Tkachuck is out you would need to add something besides Eichel

The other thing that will most likely help the Flames are the number of players that had poor seasons last year. I would put Tkachuk, Gaudreau for the first half, Monahan (although he’s been trending that way for a while), Dube, Anderson and Valimaki (who didn’t look like he was ready) in that category.

It’s likely based on their full track records that the majority of them will be better this season and Valimaki should improve with a season under his belt.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Unless it's changed, the way I understand it if the Flames acquired Eichel without moving out salary, they would be over the cap. By putting Eichel on LTIR they would be allowed to exceed the cap by as much as $10 million, but would still technically be over the cap. He would not be allowed to return until the Flames moved enough salary out, or until the season ended / playoffs started.

What you are thinking is that they would be banking cap space as the season progressed with him on LTIR? I don't believe it works that way.

I don't know how long Eichel would be expected to be out for, but I don't think he'd miss the whole season. If they could stretch it out though and pull a "Tampa Bay" style cap circumvention, they could keep the current roster as it is to give them the best chance at making the playoffs, and then add Eichel for round 1.

Trade only picks and prospects for Eichel.

I like this idea better than trading a piece or pieces for eichel and being hobbled for the first half of the season essentially throwing the season away.

I’m assuming you could insure eichel’s contract so if he couldn’t play again it wouldn’t kill you financially. If he never plays again at least you still have your old core and can make a different move.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I like this idea better than trading a piece or pieces for eichel and being hobbled for the first half of the season essentially throwing the season away.

I’m assuming you could insure eichel’s contract so if he couldn’t play again it wouldn’t kill you financially. If he never plays again at least you still have your old core and can make a different move.

I don't know much about insuring player contracts, but taking out insurance now on Eichel's contract might be a little late in the game.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Unless it's changed, the way I understand it if the Flames acquired Eichel without moving out salary, they would be over the cap. By putting Eichel on LTIR they would be allowed to exceed the cap by as much as $10 million, but would still technically be over the cap. He would not be allowed to return until the Flames moved enough salary out, or until the season ended / playoffs started.

What you are thinking is that they would be banking cap space as the season progressed with him on LTIR? I don't believe it works that way.

I don't know how long Eichel would be expected to be out for, but I don't think he'd miss the whole season. If they could stretch it out though and pull a "Tampa Bay" style cap circumvention, they could keep the current roster as it is to give them the best chance at making the playoffs, and then add Eichel for round 1.

Trade only picks and prospects for Eichel.

You're right, they could basically spend to the cap excluding Eichel's salary, which means they could sign Dube and spend about 5M upgrading the RW or D positions. But Eichel could not return during the regular season unless the Flames magically found 10M in cap space. They also couldn't add anything at the TDL because no cap space accrues when you're into LTIR.

If the Flames only traded futures, it would be interesting to see what this forward lineup could do in the playoffs:

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Ruzicka-Pitlick

Of course, the catch is that you have to make the playoffs without Eichel, and you have to hope that Eichel continues to be an impact player after his surgery.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Ruzicka-Pitlick

FTFY but yeah I want it.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk
Monahan-Lindholm-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Ruzicka-Pitlick

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

FTFY but yeah I want it.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk
Monahan-Lindholm-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Ruzicka-Pitlick

That is a SC contending forward group right there. I resemble a Viagra ad just thinking about it.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

From the Athletic's John Vogl this morning:

It's a dick move to trade him mid September if that means further delay of his procedure.