Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[GranteedEV]

I want Eichel as badly today as I did three months ago. Assuming Monahan, Dube, Tkachuk are on the outs for Eichel and a replacement winger like Tank:

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tarasenko
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Coleman
Lucic - Backlund - Pitlick
Phillips - Ruzicka - Lewis

Looks like a great foundation in terms of top six + 3C.

[mile]

Late summer update from Pagnotta:
https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagn...ues-for-eichel

Multiple sources have confirmed that Eichel has still not undergone surgery to repair a herniated disc in his neck, and it’s looking likely that he will not be medically cleared and available for the start of the regular-season – regardless of what team he’s on.

Now, it looks like a move may not occur until closer to the start of training camp in roughly four weeks. If you’re Eichel and his agents, that’s yet another ‘optimistic’ timeframe you’re holding on to.

The Anaheim Ducks, Vegas Golden Knights, New York Rangers, Columbus Blue Jackets and Calgary Flames continue to be linked to Eichel. I’m sure other clubs have reached out to see if the price has dropped. At this point, it’s difficult to pinpoint which teams are still truly in the mix, but it continues to sound like the Sabres’ preference is to send him out west. Ultimately, it will come down to maximizing the return.

There are those around the League who believe some teams are comfortable with the surgery Eichel prefers. That may ease any concerns in trading for him, but the price tag still hasn’t changed. The Sabres want roughly four key assets in exchange for Eichel, a combination of young NHL-proven/ready talent and top prospects and a first-round draft pick.

[Heavy Jack]

Man please just do it Treliving. This franchise is overdue for a player like Eichel and the summer long rumour that he could potentially become a flame has made it so I’ll be super disappointed if we don’t get him.

[oldschoolcalgary]

I mean, IMO, this timetable seems to make it very difficult for the Flames to pull of this trade doesn't it?

depending on the surgery, it could be anywhere from 2 months to 9 months - the shorter time for the disk replacement and the longer one for the fusion surgery...

If we are talking roster players, it is staring to eat into the actual season... Since the Flames are not prepared to tank (presumably), I don't know how guys in some kind combination of Tkachuck, Monahan, Dube, Valimaki + prospects picks really works?

Hypothetically, Monahan or Tkachuk + Dube or Valimaki + Zary or Pelletier or Coronato + 2022 protected 1st... This is based on Buffalo's current ask of 4 assets... Not having Eichel or 2 of those 4 roster players for minimum 2 months would put Calgary in a pretty precarious playoff position imo...

“If anyone says a fusion is better for someone in the long run, they are not telling the truth, or they don’t know the literature,” Dr. Prusmack told Friedman and Marek around the 27-minute mark.

According to Dr. Prusmack, about 25-percent of people who undergo fusion surgery will need to go under the knife again within 10 years. Meanwhile, Dr. Prusmack puts the rate for disc replacement between 4.5 and 5-percent.

Dr. Prusmack views disc replacement as something closer to “one-and-done,” while fusion carries the risk of “one surgery after another.”

Along with long-term implications, there could be short-term advantages. By Dr. Prusmack’s estimates, a player normally gets evaluated three months after fusion. If that goes well, the timetable to play could be anywhere from 6-9 months.

On the other hand, artificial disc replacement could mean getting back to skating by about six weeks, and possibly engaging in contact within about eight.

[dammage79]

Getting Eichel I don't think was ever about this season. Knowing a full recovery is going to take a year to get back to full 110 percent game ready shape. I'm not saying he can't play in this season but just the total arc of recovery is going to take longer as I think he will be operating at maybe 80-85 percent of total game readiness when he play this season.

Eichels a long term commitment. So if the Flames are going to acquire him I think it's with 22/23 and onward in mind.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Getting Eichel I don't think was ever about this season. Knowing a full recovery is going to take a year to get back to full 110 percent game ready shape. I'm not saying he can't play in this season but just the total arc of recovery is going to take longer as I think he will be operating at maybe 80-85 percent of total game readiness when he play this season.

Eichels a long term commitment. So if the Flames are going to acquire him I think it's with 22/23 and onward in mind.

Come on. Of course it's about this season - 2 years of Sutter, and Trelivomg might only have one. They are not sacrificing a season.

[dissentowner]

I don't think Tkachuk is part of any Eichel deal anyhow, I think it will be Monahan+other assets. I mean if we can hang out around a playoff spot until he is good to go we should be fine and if Monahan plays like he has the last couple years we are not going to miss him much anyhow.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Come on. Of course it's about this season - 2 years of Sutter, and Trelivomg might only have one. They are not sacrificing a season.

Whats the difference? Its unlikely that a team that missed the playoffs and has made very few changes is gearing up for a deep run.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Come on. Of course it's about this season - 2 years of Sutter, and Trelivomg might only have one. They are not sacrificing a season.

Well considering they now have to move out a large chunk of salary in an eichel deal regardless and he's now guaranteed to miss GP and then another 10-30 games of getting back into somewhat close top game shape. An Eichel trade IMO signifies a willingness to write the season off. Any other way to see it? I don't think so. Maybe another season of winging a hope and a prayer for a wild card spot. That's being generous.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well considering they now have toove out a large chunk of salary regardless in an eichel deal regardless and he's now guaranteed to miss GP and then another 10-30 games of getting back into somewhat close top game shape. An Eichel trade IMO signifies a willingness to write the season off. Any other way to see it? I don't think so. Maybe another season of winning a hope and prayer for a wild card spot. That's being generous.

It sounds like Eichel will be back for the playoffs. My guess is that the plan would be to limp into the playoffs, and then go for it. A Sutter team infused with Eichel could do some serious damage in the playoffs. Given how weak the division is, I could see a Sutter putting a system in place that will grind out just enough games to keep the team contending for a spot before Eichel gets back.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Locke

Whats the difference? Its unlikely that a team that missed the playoffs and has made very few changes is gearing up for a deep run.

Pretty sure Treliving thinks he has a contender

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Pretty sure Treliving thinks he has a contender

I hope this is sarcastic. (Can't see green text on tapatalk).

If he truly thinks this he needs to relieved of duty asap.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think Tkachuk is part of any Eichel deal anyhow, I think it will be Monahan+other assets. I mean if we can hang out around a playoff spot until he is good to go we should be fine and if Monahan plays like he has the last couple years we are not going to miss him much anyhow.

Monahan is a non starter as a centre piece for Eichel. I mean if you as a fan know that Monahan has not been the same player the last two seasons, they will know, too.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I think we need to start to accept that this is likely not going to happen.

I think they will be good regardless.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk both in contract years. I think they finish first ahead of Vegas and Edmonton.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Monahan is a non starter as a centre piece for Eichel. I mean if you as a fan know that Monahan has not been the same player the last two seasons, they will know, too.

I think you are wrong. I think teams still see him as having more value then us disgruntled fans. The Sabres are going to have to take some salary back no matter who they deal with.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by chedder

I hope this is sarcastic. (Can't see green text on tapatalk).

If he truly thinks this he needs to relieved of duty asap.

It’s Flamesfan. The most ironic name on the board. I wouldn’t say he’s being sarcastic, he exists more in the realm of hyperbolic negativity.

[Canada 02]

If I were the Sabers, I'd rather have Monahan than Reilly Smith, Adam Henrique or Rickard Rakell in the Vegas and various Duck rumors

[mile]

Still think a 3-way deal is the way to go if Monahan or Tkachuk is involved.

I still wonder if the Blues’ inability to find a deal for Tarasenko is the hold up to all this.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Monahan is a non starter as a centre piece for Eichel. I mean if you as a fan know that Monahan has not been the same player the last two seasons, they will know, too.

How has the guy with the broken neck been the last couple seasons?

[Ashasx]

how is this team making the playoffs sans Gio and all the pieces we give up for Eichel if Eichel is out for the season