Brad Treliving needs to go

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why the hell does it matter if they are a mod or not?
And in case you are talking about me I’m no longer a mod including because of the “as a mod” garbage like this.
Should mods not be allowed to have an opinion?
Should they seek your approval first?

What a junk post.

Because it is intimidating to other posters when forum leaders attack anyone who criticized the direction of the team or the moves that Treliving had made. Do you deny that you appear to be a mod still or that you are a forum leader?


Anyway, if you're not a mod anymore then your opinion carries no more weight than mine.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Because it is intimidating to other posters when forum leaders attack anyone who criticized the direction of the team or the moves that Treliving had made. Do you deny that you appear to be a mod still or that you are a forum leader?


Anyway, if you're not a mod anymore then your opinion carries no more weight than mine.

I’ve stated repeatedly that I’m not a mod
What are you asking for anyways? For mods to not have an opinion? Or only ones that align with yours?
I don’t know what a forum leader is
I’m just a poster now

[Jacks]

None of the mods think their opinions carries more weight
I would suggest you get over it and leave the mods status out of it
I’ve also never seen them “attack”. Disagreeing and challenging isn’t attacking

Okay, but anytime there is criticism of the team the same few posters come out of the woodwork. I'll just leave it there, not going to win this battle.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Okay, but anytime there is criticism of the team the same few posters come out of the woodwork. I'll just leave it there, not going to win this battle.

Ok because maybe they disagree? Should they not be allowed to voice that?

[Jacks]

Voice whatever you want, sorry for being a problem.

[browna]

Treliving let the dressing room dictate that Ward should stay because he wasn't mean and he let them play soccer in practice. His options were probably limited as well with an odd offseason last year, but likely knew Ward was not likely to finish out whatever contract they gave him because Ward wasn't going to get every last bead of sweat out of many of those guys.

But he went away from the "good cop" guys like Ward to hire Peters, because the dressing room ran over GG in season 2, but that option wasn't available. The mishandling of Game 6 Dallas should've been cause enough.

Bad move by BT, but his options were also limited as the clock ticked last offseason. I don't think Sutter was ready and any other options fizzled too, before they confirmed Ward as staying.

If Sutter was more ready, and started last season in charge, Flames in the playoffs last year and things would be a lot different right now.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I’ve stated repeatedly that I’m not a mod
What are you asking for anyways? For mods to not have an opinion? Or only ones that align with yours?
I don’t know what a forum leader is
I’m just a poster now

Can we refer to you now as… “a poster of Jiri Hrdina”, the man who won Stanley Cups 50% of the time he played in the NHL?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Voice whatever you want, sorry for being a problem.

Lots of other people see issues with the team that are worthy of discussion, but can’t be as dedicated to the cause as some other people who consistently energetically disagree. So it goes on the internet

[Large11]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lots of other people see issues with the team that are worthy of discussion, but can’t be as dedicated to the cause as some other people who consistently energetically disagree. So it goes on the internet

We all see issues with this team, i read a ton and don't post a alot... but im struggling to remember anyone that does not have some sort of issue with this group, whether its the GM, players on the roster, being mad a contract has not been extended, a trade that hasn't been made but people speculate on even though they have no idea of value, player worth, or what is actually on the table. So many people talk as if they know the front office of this team, yet no one has a clue. none of us. No matter what Tre has offered in any trade, and no one knows what he has gotten back as a counter offer

As for your "cause" since you brought it it up, please elaborate on what that is, what the objective is, and why anyone should be behind it. and please state your "facts" with sources and label your opinions as such

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Just ridiculous, there are about a half dozen posters including a couple of mods who will defend anything that Treliving has done. Results don't matter, team is stuck in perpetual mediocrity but "what would you have done?" pathetic.

This team isn't going to win anything. The prospect base is below average. They are stuck between adding mid round picks to an inadequate core or adding bit pieces hoping for a Cinderella run. Sorry, not good enough.

Careful not to misinterpret a failure to join you in your absolute rage with supporting everything Treliving does.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Can we refer to you now as… “a poster of Jiri Hrdina”, the man who won Stanley Cups 50% of the time he played in the NHL?

That should be his custom title, not a mod.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO a major role of the GM is to be able to evaluate coaches and that's an area Treliving has been abysmal. The fact that ownership had to step in and hire Darryl is telling of how much of a failure Treliving has been at evaluating coaches. Pro scouting has also been poor so there's a lot of good and a lot of bad which is a recipe for mediocrity. Too good to be really bad and not good enough to challenge for a cup. He's got to stop with the big mistakes and keep building the team through the draft which is why I kind of hope the Flames don't trade for Eichel as I'm just not sure if he on his own is better than Zary, Pelletier, Monahan and a 1st round pick.

Originally Posted by TOfan

Show us the evidence.

This makes no sense whatsoever. I said this at the time of the hire; if the owners stepped in and hired Treliving, why is he still the GM? One logical reason, please? I don’t doubt the owners were consulted and probably even had conversations with Sutter directly, but to suggest the decision was taken out of Treliving’s hands Is a dubious one at the time of the hire. Now that Treliving is still the GM, after the conclusion of the season, after the draft, and after free agency, extremely unlikely that Treliving and the owners weren’t in lock step on this decision.

I also keep coming back to Friedman’s comment that yge Flames had been talking to Sutter since Peters departure. Treliving gets pinned to the wall for the Ward ‘hiring’ but I suspect the Flames wanted Sutter all along and bided their time. Ward was nothing more than a stop gap. This would explain his two year deal, and likely low end HC salary.

Posters who refuse to accept Treliving had much to do with the Sutter hire are hugely misguided.

Originally Posted by Jacks

Funny, when someone suggests that ownership may have forced the Sutter hiring, since Treliving had shown a clear pattern of poor coach choices, you chime in with "show us the evidence". Yet when it comes to the construction and direction of the team you blame it on ownership.

I think you are confused. There is a difference between claiming something as a fact and a suggestion.

EE’s post said it was a fact ownership stepped in, I don’t think that is accurate. As I said, they probably did have some involvement given the previous well established relationship between Sutter and the Flames. Based on what we have seen since his hire I would think Treliving and ownership were in agreement of the hire. I have always thought it was nonsense that the owners stepped in and took this decision out of Treliving’s hands.

The day of the hire there were people on this forum saying that they could tell it wasn’t Treliving’s hire due to the look on his face……i have seen some absurd statements on this forum, and this one is right up there with the best of them. Good lord.

[Vinny01]

I was/am willing to give Treliving the offseason to right the ship but he is running out of time.

This offseason has been mediocre to potentially a disaster so far. While a Gio for Zadorov swap helps the flames in the physicality department it is also a big downgrade in overall talent. Coleman is a nice enough add but didn’t come cheap and while he, Pitlick, and Lewis are an upgrade on Ryan, Leivo, and Nordstrom it is nothing earth shattering and Coleman comes with huge term and fairly big dollars.

Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Backlund remain as the longest standing members of a Flames forests group that has needed a shakeup for a long time. The blueline has eroded as the once hyped top 4 of Gio-Hamilton, Brodie-Hamonic have all left (all but Hamilton gone for nothing). The forward group has not really had much change in the last 3 years after Lindholm was added. Mangiapane has emerged but others have regressed.

Treliving said changes had to be made this summer but so far it has not been satisfactory. Time is running out to make a big change but if this is largely the group they go into camp with then I am ready to get a new GM. The bare minimum is no further changes are made then Gaudreau needed a new contract. It is upsetting they have allowed his leverage to kick in and not have a deal done already.

[chedder]

Yup, same as many, I want to see what happens between now and the start of training camp. I would have been happy to have a new gm right after the season ended but here we are.

If he can't get Johnny signed or traded, something concrete with Tkachuk and a point producing defenceman before camp starts that's the final nail for me.

A deal for Eichel would be the icing on the cake.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I was/am willing to give Treliving the offseason to right the ship but he is running out of time.

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yep, that's my view as well....

I still believe the Flames have to make more moves,,,,

Moves for what ever reason are taking for ever to be made.

Training camp is ~ 4 weeks away

[868904]

Originally Posted by flambers

yep, that's my view as well....

I still believe the Flames have to make more moves,,,,

Moves for what ever reason are taking for ever to be made.

Training camp is ~ 4 weeks away

It's pretty clear why the moves aren't being made, because of the Eichel situation.

Flames are clearly in on that and it is likely Plan A.

Sabres have no reason to make this deal happen early. The 2022 first round pick is likely a required part of any deal and the longer this drags out, the longer the team acquiring Eichel will be without him and the higher the liklihood the acquiring team misses the playoffs and the Sabres get a lottery pick.

I wouldn't expect an Eichel trade until closer to the start of the season.

Question is can Treliving afford to wait that long or will his Plan B and C disappear by that time and then he is left with pretty much the same roster as last season with a couple of big question marks in Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

...Treliving said changes had to be made this summer but so far it has not been satisfactory. Time is running out to make a big change but if this is largely the group they go into camp with then I am ready to get a new GM. The bare minimum is no further changes are made then Gaudreau needed a new contract. It is upsetting they have allowed his leverage to kick in and not have a deal done already.

One thing we can be certain of is that there will not be a new GM until after next season at the earliest. With this in view, then it strikes me as odd that people are ready to pass judgment on Treliving's off-season work even before a single puck has dropped. If the Flames end up having a successful season, then won't these calls now for a replacement in management be premature?


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

One thing we can be certain of is that there will not be a new GM until after next season at the earliest. With this in view, then it strikes me as odd that people are ready to pass judgment on Treliving's off-season work even before a single puck has dropped. If the Flames end up having a successful season, then won't these calls now for a replacement in management be premature?


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And if they crap out, these calls will appear prescient.

I’d say the earliest our GM could be replaced is American thanksgiving. A poor start to the season is going to create a ton of pressure internally.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And if they crap out, these calls will appear prescient.

I’d say the earliest our GM could be replaced is American thanksgiving. A poor start to the season is going to create a ton of pressure internally.

When was the last time a GM was replaced mid-season? Unless I’m mistaken it was 2018 when Hextall was fired and previous to that was 2012 when Howson was fired in Columbus. So, pretty rare.

Considering the Flames just came off a season where they undoubtedly took a significant loss, I doubt very much they fire the GM, who has two years left on his deal, and replace him with….?

Treliving will get this year.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by TOfan

When was the last time a GM was replaced mid-season? Unless I’m mistaken it was 2018 when Hextall was fired and previous to that was 2012 when Howson was fired in Columbus. So, pretty rare.

Considering the Flames just came off a season where they undoubtedly took a significant loss, I doubt very much they fire the GM, who has two years left on his deal, and replace him with….?

Treliving will get this year.

Rangers last year, fired their GM with two weeks left in the season