Let's Talk About Minimum Wage, Class Warfare, Wage Gaps, etc.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Citation needed

no it's not

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

no it's not

Why not?

[stone hands]

Its one of those capitalism myths, like conservative governments being good with money or trickle down meaning shareholders would willingly cut into profits to increase wages and conditions of employees instead of just, y'know, having more money for themselves

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Why not?

Because there are so many examples right in front of our eyes.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Because there are so many examples right in front of our eyes.

In that case it should be easy for you to share one with us.

[Locke]

Once upon a time this was an interesting topic with intriguing discussion.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by blankall

So UBI discussion is preparation for the date when we have flying robots - that don't require their own human maintenance - to do all the labour in society and people can't find jobs?

Seems pressing.

I don't particularly hear a ton of serious UBI discussion in politics these days. It comes up on the fringes but don't seem like something that imminently coming.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Once upon a time this was an interesting topic with intriguing discussion.

You don't find single sentence leading questions interesting?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

In that case it should be easy for you to share one with us.

Almost everything you touch in a grocery store.

Air travel.

Furniture manufacturing.

I could go on forever.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You don't find single sentence leading questions interesting?

I don't know, do you?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Almost everything you touch in a grocery store.

Air travel.

Furniture manufacturing.

I could go on forever.

You better keep going then because prices on those commodities you listed are rising, not falling.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Almost everything you touch in a grocery store.

Air travel.

Furniture manufacturing.

I could go on forever.

You have to show price data for before automation, give evidence of the automation that occurred, and show price data for after automation.

If you're going to clog up the thread with 100 posts, at least give us something interesting to read.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I don't know, do you?

Does it matter what I think?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by pepsifree

does it matter what i think?

lol?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

lol?

is this funny to you?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by pepsifree

is this funny to you?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by fuzz

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ .....?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

You better keep going then because prices on those commodities you listed are rising, not falling.

No.

In 1920, before egg production became highly automated, the average wage was just under $9 per day in the US. In 2021, the average wage is just over $142 per day.

In 1920, a dozen eggs cost $0.47 (and were worse quality)
In 2021, a dozen eggs costs $1.51

So in pre-automation, the average person has to work 5.2% of their day to earn a dozen eggs. In 2021, they have to work 1.1% of their day to earn a dozen eggs.

We could adjust for average work day length to determine actual labour time to earn a dozen eggs, but it won't make up for a a 5x difference in labour:egg costs.

[Locke]

Good Lord people.

My dog has wiped his ass on my lawn and made less of a mess than this thread.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Good Lord people.

My dog has wiped his ass on my lawn and made less of a mess than this thread.

Do you like watching your dog wipe his ass on your lawn? Do you like eggs?