2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He is a top 6 centre, and on a team that's better than the Flames.

This team made him not a top 6 centre, that's on the team (and Bennett). Not fate, not the hockey gods. You hire three bad coaches in a row, and you get what you deserve. Bennett isn't the only one to falter thanks to those decisions unfortunately, as we are almost universally looked at as a team that underachieves every year for "reasons".

I wish Darryl would have taken over after the Peters fiasco. Things would have played out much, much differently.

He was a top 6 player for 10 games. Will be interesting to see what he does next season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I've stopped believing anything that comes out about how hard Treliving works or how many plates he's got on the boiler. It's all amounted to all talk, no walk.

The biggest (and only) change he's made in 3 years was imposed on him by the expansion draft.

Yeah, I agree with this.

We’re currently in the 38th straight month where Treliving has “been in on everything” from a trade perspective, and he hasn’t accomplished anything (measured back to June ‘18 when we acquire Lindholm/Hanifin).

I believe it was actually Dreger who said Treliving was one of the most creative GM’s, but Friedman has consistently said that Treliving is one of the most aggressive GM’s out there…

It is 100% time for Treliving to actually execute at a better than “poor” level, unless this team wants to continue getting poor results.

[Psytic]

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Zib has more trade value than Monny.


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I agree, but not by an astronomical measure. Monahan's extra year on 6.375m is better than what Zibanejad's deal is going to be next season. The Flames would definitely add but not by much.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I agree, but not by an astronomical measure. Monahan's extra year on 6.375m is better than what Zibanejad's deal is going to be next season. The Flames would definitely add but not by much.

It’s Monny injury that is making the difference. We don’t know what Monny will be next year. If he’s healthy and back to normal, I would say Monny’s trade value is higher due to the extra year.

Zib also is likely to go UFA unless someone ponies up big time.


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[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He hasn't produced a lot more than Monahan while being on a better team. If he was known to be a great two-way center than I would be interested but I feel like he is more of a complimentary type like Monahan.

Yes, he had a bad season for his standards. The same as Monahan. I think he can be an elite offensive weapon. I do question his compete level. He is faster than Monahan, I think he has a better shot than Monahan from the slot, and is the better passer. He is worse defensively and around the net.


I really think the Flames need more threats from distance. Right now the only elite level threat from distance is Lindholm. Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Monahan are good but not amazing, they need to get the goalie moving to beat him. Dube's shot looked pretty great at times. As for Backlund/Mangiapane that's nothing to write home about. I don't know enough about Coleman/Pitlick to judge. I also don't see an amazing slapper from the defense. Maybe Zadorov or Andersson can get there at some point.



Anyways whomever the Flames target in a trade. The ability to shoot the puck should be one of the top priorities. That's one of the biggest reasons our PP gets so stale. There's no threat from the point, and no threat of a shot like Ovi/Laine from the circles. As a result, the Flames don't get the PKers moving enough to create space for the likes of Monahan and Tkachuk upfront. We also don't have an elite puck deflector like Pavelski.



Right now we are going to get a pretty good group defensively, and a top 5 PK in the league. I have no idea where the goals are going to come from though. Without any of our players taking huge steps this year, or a major addition upfront the Flames would be a bottom ten team in both the PP and in terms of goals scored.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, I agree with this.

We’re currently in the 38th straight month where Treliving has “been in on everything” from a trade perspective, and he hasn’t accomplished anything (measured back to June ‘18 when we acquire Lindholm/Hanifin).

I believe it was actually Dreger who said Treliving was one of the most creative GM’s, but Friedman has consistently said that Treliving is one of the most aggressive GM’s out there…

It is 100% time for Treliving to actually execute at a better than “poor” level, unless this team wants to continue getting poor results.

Maybe he agrees with some of us and isn't prepared to give away the cupboard just to satisfy some of you.

[Poe969]

He shouldn't do it to satisfy anyone, he should do it because this team isn't doing well and needs change.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Maybe he agrees with some of us and isn't prepared to give away the cupboard just to satisfy some of you.

Thats totally fine, but if the Flames come out of the gate slow he is out of a job come January. I still think he will pull a trade off of some sort.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I've stopped believing anything that comes out about how hard Treliving works or how many plates he's got on the boiler. It's all amounted to all talk, no walk.

The biggest (and only) change he's made in 3 years was imposed on him by the expansion draft.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, I agree with this.

We’re currently in the 38th straight month where Treliving has “been in on everything” from a trade perspective, and he hasn’t accomplished anything (measured back to June ‘18 when we acquire Lindholm/Hanifin).

I believe it was actually Dreger who said Treliving was one of the most creative GM’s, but Friedman has consistently said that Treliving is one of the most aggressive GM’s out there…

It is 100% time for Treliving to actually execute at a better than “poor” level, unless this team wants to continue getting poor results.

I think you guys are just slightly off the mark a bit with these takes. I don’t think the issue is that Treliving doesn’t work hard. I believe wholeheartedly that he works tirelessly.

I think the bigger issue is that the team lacks desirable assets to pull off these big trades. It takes two teams to make a trade. We get outbid consistently not because Treliving is afraid to make moves but because we never have the best assets to make the trades.

I think Treliving deserves criticism, just not the criticism given here. It’s not that he doesn’t work hard, it’s that he spends assets on bozos like Brandon Bollig and Tyler Pitlick. Then when the time comes to make a big deal he can’t justify the asking price, or he simply lacks the currency to get it done. If you were another team would you really be interested in anything Calgary has had to offer recently?

Fortunately regarding Eichel I think the cupboards have been restocked these last two drafts and I think they can make a big move without completely decimating the farm. But even still the Buffalo Sabres still have to agree to the deal.

His work ethic isn’t an issue. His issue is that he’s never had the currency to make the big deals.

[getoverit]

So which is it, doesn’t have the assets to pull off a big trade or won’t spend the assets. How can he spend the assets if he doesn’t have any? He will get it down but complicated with other teams needing to be involved. Do i think we get the big fish, notta but believe he will strengthen too 6 and add too 4 D whatever that looks like.

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think you guys are just slightly off the mark a bit with these takes. I don’t think the issue is that Treliving doesn’t work hard. I believe wholeheartedly that he works tirelessly.

I think the bigger issue is that the team lacks desirable assets to pull off these big trades. It takes two teams to make a trade. We get outbid consistently not because Treliving is afraid to make moves but because we never have the best assets to make the trades.

I think Treliving deserves criticism, just not the criticism given here. It’s not that he doesn’t work hard, it’s that he spends assets on bozos like Brandon Bollig and Tyler Pitlick. Then when the time comes to make a big deal he can’t justify the asking price, or he simply lacks the currency to get it done. If you were another team would you really be interested in anything Calgary has had to offer recently?

Fortunately regarding Eichel I think the cupboards have been restocked these last two drafts and I think they can make a big move without completely decimating the farm. But even still the Buffalo Sabres still have to agree to the deal.

His work ethic isn’t an issue. His issue is that he’s never had the currency to make the big deals.

[Poe969]

Isn't him not having the assets his own fault though? It's not like he just took over the team and is cleaning up someone else's mess....this is his mess. He used assets ro acquire a few bad pieces, maybe this time instead of giving up a bunch of assets in a bunch of trades he will give up a bunch of assets in one trade and maybe get someone of actual value.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Isn't him not having the assets his own fault though? It's not like he just took over the team and is cleaning up someone else's mess....this is his mess. He used assets ro acquire a few bad pieces, maybe this time instead of giving up a bunch of assets in a bunch of trades he will give up a bunch of assets in one trade and maybe get someone of actual value.

Leave Treliving alone. He works very hard.. not sure what he does.. but he puts in all his effort.

I wish my boss would be as cool with me if I just work hard but show zero results.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Isn't him not having the assets his own fault though? It's not like he just took over the team and is cleaning up someone else's mess....this is his mess. He used assets ro acquire a few bad pieces, maybe this time instead of giving up a bunch of assets in a bunch of trades he will give up a bunch of assets in one trade and maybe get someone of actual value.

It’s spending the right assets on the right pieces.

Spending first and 2 2nds on Hamilton = good
Spending first and 2 2nds on hamonic = bad

He gave up the same assets in both deals but the Hamilton deal was good value. The Hamonic deal was terrible. In the latter deal, would much rather be use those assets to bring in young, cost controlled player(s) instead of a player that was ufa after 3 years.

The JT Miller trade would be good to replicate if there is a deal like that out there. First and a third for a top 6 F trumps first and 2 2nds for a top 4 D.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He is a top 6 centre, and on a team that's better than the Flames.

This team made him not a top 6 centre, that's on the team (and Bennett). Not fate, not the hockey gods. You hire three bad coaches in a row, and you get what you deserve. Bennett isn't the only one to falter thanks to those decisions unfortunately, as we are almost universally looked at as a team that underachieves every year for "reasons".

I wish Darryl would have taken over after the Peters fiasco. Things would have played out much, much differently.

There's a lot more evidence to suggest Bennett isn't anything close to a top-6 centre. Florida just went all-in on Bennett after 15 white-hot games.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's a lot more evidence to suggest Bennett isn't anything close to a top-6 centre. Florida just went all-in on Bennett after 15 white-hot games.

Since when is signing a forward to a 4 year contract in the $4M range going all-in?


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[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's a lot more evidence to suggest Bennett isn't anything close to a top-6 centre. Florida just went all-in on Bennett after 15 white-hot games.

Are you implying Bennett won't be logging 18+ minutes a night for coach Q next year? What do you want to wager on that?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Are you implying Bennett won't be logging 18+ minutes a night for coach Q next year? What do you want to wager on that?

Enjoy, Steve Downie 2.0

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think you guys are just slightly off the mark a bit with these takes. I don’t think the issue is that Treliving doesn’t work hard. I believe wholeheartedly that he works tirelessly.

I think the bigger issue is that the team lacks desirable assets to pull off these big trades. It takes two teams to make a trade. We get outbid consistently not because Treliving is afraid to make moves but because we never have the best assets to make the trades.

I think Treliving deserves criticism, just not the criticism given here. It’s not that he doesn’t work hard, it’s that he spends assets on bozos like Brandon Bollig and Tyler Pitlick. Then when the time comes to make a big deal he can’t justify the asking price, or he simply lacks the currency to get it done. If you were another team would you really be interested in anything Calgary has had to offer recently?

Fortunately regarding Eichel I think the cupboards have been restocked these last two drafts and I think they can make a big move without completely decimating the farm. But even still the Buffalo Sabres still have to agree to the deal.

His work ethic isn’t an issue. His issue is that he’s never had the currency to make the big deals.

Literally every player outside Markstrom is/should be available. We have our 1sts and 2nds in the upcoming drafts. We have the assets to outbid who we need to outbid for the players we want.

There's just no execution. Because I highly doubt our core guys are that undesirable.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's a lot more evidence to suggest Bennett isn't anything close to a top-6 centre. Florida just went all-in on Bennett after 15 white-hot games.

Yep. There’s plenty of evidence that shows that bad head coaches who will never hold that title in the NHL again played Bennett as a 4th line LW.

There’s also his production during his time with actual NHL head coaches. 8 points in 15 games with Sutter, his rookie season, and his time with Florida. Also, his ability to raise his game in the playoffs.

Should be interesting to see how Bennett produces and plays this season.