[Trade] Flames acquire goalie Daniel Vladar from Bruins for 2022 3rd

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This is the exact type of player you spend picks on.......if it works.

We said this about guys like Lazar too.

If the guy comes in and falls on his face, then you've just thrown a pick away.

Same as if you draft a bust. Keeping the pick doesn’t guarantee success either.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Same as if you draft a bust. Keeping the pick doesn’t guarantee success either.

No, but as has been discussed many times, the more picks you have the better chance you have of finding that gem.

For the record, I'm ok with this trade, I just hope it works out better than most of the other times the Flames trade picks for young players.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nice! He's a good young one.

Impressive. Most impressive.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No, but as has been discussed many times, the more picks you have the better chance you have of finding that gem.

For the record, I'm ok with this trade, I just hope it works out better than most of the other times the Flames trade picks for young players.

But with this you’ve essentially “drafted” an overager who has put up great AHL numbers and, unlike other goalie draft picks, will play this year. I can’t remember the last time a pick was traded for a prospect - Colborne?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Spinach

Impressive. Most impressive.

His Mitichlorian counts are through the roof!

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But with this you’ve essentially “drafted” an overager who has put up great AHL numbers and, unlike other goalie draft picks, will play this year. I can’t remember the last time a pick was traded for a prospect - Colborne?

I count Lazar in that.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No, but as has been discussed many times, the more picks you have the better chance you have of finding that gem.

For the record, I'm ok with this trade, I just hope it works out better than most of the other times the Flames trade picks for young players.

Aside from Lazar, what other ones were there? Lazar was a mistake, a gamble that another team’s young asset was underperforming because of poor deployment. Turned out he was what he looked like.

This is still a bullet in the chamber, it’s just one with a shorter firing sequence and a higher chance of hitting the target. He was only available because Boston already has 2 starter-quality goaltenders and he would have had to go through waivers. And I don’t think a player of this calibre would have gone unclaimed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I count Lazar in that.

I don’t. A reclamation is different than a pure prospect like this one.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL - he used a 3rd round pick for a developed 23 year old goalie drafted in the 3rd round.

He used an extra pick obtained for renting 28 year old Rittich (who wasn’t going to be here anyway) for a 26 year old Dman.

Oh noes.

This “extra pick” logic is so flawed. Hopefully our GM doesn’t look at his draft picks and categorize them that way.

I don’t mind either trade in isolation, unfortunately part of a pattern that has historically failed to work. Looking at off-season deals, what is Treliving’s pick deficit in trades? The number must be frightening.

Team fails during season, he trades pending UFA’s for picks. Uses those picks and then some in trades to fill the roster with players. Rinse, repeat. If team is in contention burn through more picks to trade for middle and bottom roster rentals. Fill in gaps with UFAs to make sure no cap flexibility.

Sigh.

At least we have HOF calibre coach.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This “extra pick” logic is so flawed. Hopefully our GM doesn’t look at his draft picks and categorize them that way.

I don’t mind either trade in isolation, unfortunately part of a pattern that has historically failed to work. Looking at off-season deals, what is Treliving’s pick deficit in trades? The number must be frightening.

Team fails during season, he trades pending UFA’s for picks. Uses those picks and then some in trades to fill the roster with players. Rinse, repeat. If team is in contention burn through more picks to trade for middle and bottom roster rentals. Fill in gaps with UFAs to make sure no cap flexibility.

Sigh.

At least we have HOF calibre coach.

How is it not an extra pick. He turned a guy who was going to go away for nothing into a pick. Like people say he should have done with Brodie. It’s just like he traded Rittich for Zadorov.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But with this you’ve essentially “drafted” an overager who has put up great AHL numbers and, unlike other goalie draft picks, will play this year. I can’t remember the last time a pick was traded for a prospect - Colborne?

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Aside from Lazar, what other ones were there? Lazar was a mistake, a gamble that another team’s young asset was underperforming because of poor deployment. Turned out he was what he looked like.

This is still a bullet in the chamber, it’s just one with a shorter firing sequence and a higher chance of hitting the target. He was only available because Boston already has 2 starter-quality goaltenders and he would have had to go through waivers. And I don’t think a player of this calibre would have gone unclaimed.

It's more just the bleeding picks in general. We seem to be in a pick deficit more often than not.

Luckily the last two drafts the Flames drafted 8 players in each, but we're already down to 5 for the 2022 draft, and if this team goes buying rentals they'll chew that down even more.

Like I said though, hopefully this one works out. I like a big goalie, and he's done well in the AHL. Plus he'll be backstopping a Sutter coached team that just added Pitlick, Zadorov, Coleman and Lewis.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How is it not an extra pick. He turned a guy who was going to go away for nothing into a pick. Like people say he should have done with Brodie. It’s just like he traded Rittich for Zadorov.

No it’s not. It’s a third round pick and how it was obtained is totally irrelevant in determining its value.

[SeanCharles]

Anyone complaining about this in any way is crazy.

This is an epic move!

I love it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No it’s not. It’s a third round pick and how it was obtained is totally irrelevant in determining its value.

That’s BS. It’s an extra pick to the one they already had. They added a pick and now have spent the pick.

If they’d just made a trade - Rittich for Zadorov - would you whine?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No, but as has been discussed many times, the more picks you have the better chance you have of finding that gem.

And the more often you trade a pick for a player the more likely that strategy will work, too.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s BS. It’s an extra pick to the one they already had. They added a pick and now have spent the pick.

If they’d just made a trade - Rittich for Zadorov - would you whine?

I’m not whining.

It’s entirely possible for the Rittich trade to be a good trade and this to be a bad one.

[MrMike]

I mean he was picked in the third round in 2015. An NHL capable back up on 750k while someone else didn’t ruin him? We should do that with all of our goalie picks.

[Strange Brew]

So what is the Bruins thinking on this? He was a cheap backup, they must have another goalie in their plans.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So what is the Bruins thinking on this? He was a cheap backup, they must have another goalie in their plans.

I think they were worried they wouldn't get him through waivers. And super-young Jeremy Swayman has already played NHL games, and looked pretty spectacular.

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[RedHawk12]

When you pick a guy in a draft, you hope he develops and turns into a contributor on your team. No different with acquiring Vladar, especially since he's still young.

This is the kind of trade you make with picks. I get the frustration with trading picks for rentals that play 15 games for you and then walk, but this is different. There is literally no difference between trading a pick for Vladar and using the pick to draft a Vladar.