Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Rejean31]

I think it would be a mistake to get rid of Mangiapane.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Skyceman

They are not the same. 1 guy played a big part in winning 2 cups. The other has not.

And Point signed a 3 year contract as his first RFA deal. Treliving would have been roasted if JG’s first deal was 3 years.

[Ped]

The Flames still have 11 more months to sign Gaudreau. The fact that they haven't traded him probably shows that they're fairly confident they can. They might be wrong, but just because he didn't extend already doesn't mean they are.


I mean, Landeskog just re-upped with the Avs right before he hit free agency, and it was reported before he signed that they were not close at all. Things can change quickly, and people need to not freak out because it isn't done yet.


Freak out in 11 months if he's not signed and not traded.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Ped

The Flames still have 11 more months to sign Gaudreau. The fact that they haven't traded him probably shows that they're fairly confident they can. They might be wrong, but just because he didn't extend already doesn't mean they are.


I mean, Landeskog just re-upped with the Avs right before he hit free agency, and it was reported before he signed that they were not close at all. Things can change quickly, and people need to not freak out because it isn't done yet.


Freak out in 11 months if he's not signed and not traded.

If we wait 11 months to trade him we get peanuts. If we don't sign him before training camp its going to be a massive black cloud hanging over the team's head for the entire season.

[Matty81]

If LA is out by virtue of their lack of cap space, how is Vegas considered in it? I get that they could move money back, but they added Dadonov, Martinez, Brossoit and Janmark at about 15 mil today and are sitting 1.5 mil over the cap.

Nevermind that they've basically traded all the high end picks they acquired in year 1 away to load their current roster with older guys, are starting to look very lean in the prospect dpt and everyone expects their future firsts to be in the late 20s. I am starting to get the sense that when this group ages in 4 or 5 years they are going to go totally bottom of the barrell like San Jose has.

I get that they might be interested in Eichel, but seems like a terrible fit to me as far as executing a trade/assets. Nolan Patrick and Clague are the only two guys under 25 who are good NHL regulars or close to it. Maybe I am just wishing! Calgary has way more good young players and desirable picks (if only we had the kind of star vets but thats another topic)

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think one thing that’s got me salty isn’t the lack of acquiring Eichel yet (it has to happen), it’s that Tampa makes the news as they extend Brayden Point on the first day possible.

The Flames haven’t extended Tkachuk (same situation as Point was in), or Gaudreau - yet we went out and spent in free agency on Coleman. Everything just comes across as so short sighted with this team.

There was a pretty significant milestone with Gaudreau and Tkachuk today, and neither has a contract beyond this coming season.

I reckon he is still considering all trade options

[Vinny01]

LA is out because they just gave Danault a huge deal and have Kopitar on the books for $10M

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Matty81

If LA is out by virtue of their lack of cap space, how is Vegas considered in it? I get that they could move money back, but they added Dadonov, Martinez, Brossoit and Janmark at about 15 mil today and are sitting 1.5 mil over the cap.

Nevermind that they've basically traded all the high end picks they acquired in year 1 away to load their current roster with older guys, are starting to look very lean in the prospect dpt and everyone expects their future firsts to be in the late 20s. I am starting to get the sense that when this group ages in 4 or 5 years they are going to go totally bottom of the barrell like San Jose has.

I get that they might be interested in Eichel, but seems like a terrible fit to me as far as executing a trade/assets. Nolan Patrick and Clague are the only two guys under 25 who are good NHL regulars or close to it. Maybe I am just wishing! Calgary has way more good young players and desirable picks (if only we had the kind of star vets but thats another topic)

I honestly think the golden knights will start coming back down to earth within the next year or two - unless they get eichel. They’ve been super aggressive to win now and their talent pipeline is almost depleted now because of it. I think that starts to catch up to them.


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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

I think it would be a mistake to get rid of Mangiapane.

Not if its in favour of an Eichel that gets back to health.


I don't think Bread would be involved in that trade though. Won't be a big enough contract to balance the money and isn't a 'futures' piece.

[FusionX]

I don't even know where to put Eichel thoughts now... here, trade specs thread?

I mainly just lurk and have worn out my F5 button over the past week or so but wanted to get my 2 cents in, see what you all think.

If I'm looking at Buffalo, by trading Eichel, they would be in need for a center to at least replace him, with losing Reinhart (I know he mostly played wing) recently too. Now, I know they have Cozens and Mittelstadt but other than that, it looks fairly thin and these guys are relatively unproven too. Then, in terms of value, factor in the fact that Eichel probably had his worst year and is a bit of an unknown in terms of his injury.

My proposal to Buffalo would be Monahan (needed center, good AAV and only 2 more years), Dube (young NHLer), Pelletier (fairly highly rated prospect?), 2021st (top 3 protected). Throw in another 2nd if they retain 10% salary. Now it's not anywhere near some of what I've seen suggested but this isn't 100% Eichel, and Buffalo + the rest of the league knows it. Also, I'm not sure Buffalo would really want Tkachuk given his contract status and his lack of center prowess.

Then, I'd look to trade Tkachuk, mainly due to the fact that I don't think the Flames could have a top line where they all make around 9m (hopefully Gaudreau comes in around 8) and I'm not sure Tkachuk is going to be worth that much either.

I propose trading Tkachuk to St. Louis for Tarasenko, Kyrou + a 1st or a 2nd. It's essentially Tkachuk and his pending contract issues for Tarasenko's contract and then his actual value equaling Kyrou and the highest pick you can get. I think Tarasenko can bounce back, but if not, he's only got a couple of years left. Kyrou slots in nicely where Dube vacates and we recoup a high pick.

Then basically go into the season with this:

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tarasenko
Manigapane - Lindholm - Kyrou
Coleman - Backlund - Pitlick/Ritchie/Lewis
Lucic - Zary(!) - Pitlick/Richie/Lewis

Hanifin - Tanev
Valimaki - Andersson
Mackey - Zadorov

Markstrom
Darth

I know Zary being there is a bit of an unknown but I thought he looked really good during the AHL stint last year. Ideally he'd probably play a bit more but I just have a feeling he's got a shot at sticking out of camp. If not, we have enough C depth for a 4th line IMO.

Obviously, it sounds like Buffalo is wanting more for Eichel but I'm not sure I'd offer more than this... And overall, at least to me, this line-up seems much more balanced and exciting(!) compared to what we've got rolling into next year at the moment with more manageable contracts to boot.

Anyhoo, my posts are always a wall of text cause they're usually a culmination of much rumination. I should go see if I can pull this off in NHL21...

[GreenLantern2814]

Let’s also consider that Buffalo wants to trade him to us.

There’s no way they want to send this kid to California to live on the beach after he’s told them to eff off.

They want to trade him to Canada. They want to say “Go #### your self, Jack” and send him somewhere just south of Edmonton to pay more of that $10.5M to taxes.

Give them a reason.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I reckon he is still considering all trade options

Didn't his NTC kick in today? This morning Treliving could have dealt Johnny to whatever team gave the best return, now it gets a lot more complicated. Johnny can not sign an extension and veto a trade to 26 teams. I'm not saying that will happen but it could. They should have had the framework of the deal done by now or even had it signed and then submitted asap like point. Imagine if they ask him for his 5 teams and he says: edmonton, Vancouver, winnipeg, Vegas and another team up against the cap.

Again, not saying this will happen but after seeing poor asset management over the past few years with star players it's hard to have faith that they will make smart decisions.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Didn't his NTC kick in today? This morning Treliving could have dealt Johnny to whatever team gave the best return, now it gets a lot more complicated. Johnny can not sign an extension and veto a trade to 26 teams. I'm not saying that will happen but it could. They should have had the framework of the deal done by now or even had it signed and then submitted asap like point. Imagine if they ask him for his 5 teams and he says: edmonton, Vancouver, winnipeg, Vegas and another team up against the cap.

Again, not saying this will happen but after seeing poor asset management over the past few years with star players it's hard to have faith that they will make smart decisions.

I think most of the leg work is probably done. I would bet the AVV is agreed on already, it is probably just term and clauses and bonuses that need to get ironed out. It will get done, I have no doubt.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

I think it would be a mistake to get rid of Mangiapane.

We're not getting rid of Mangiapane for some schlub off the street in this case.

That would be like saying "Would love to buy that Mercedes, but man, I think it's a mistake to trade in my 2008 Honda Civic."

[442scotty]

If and that is a big IF, Eichel is healthy and is actually interested in coming to Calgary I’d love to have him. Then can have Chucky, our first (protected) and Dube. Dube also comes with a concussion risk as he seems to be getting a few. No Mangiapane, no Zary, and no Pelletier.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Let’s also consider that Buffalo wants to trade him to us.

There’s no way they want to send this kid to California to live on the beach after he’s told them to eff off.

They want to trade him to Canada. They want to say “Go #### your self, Jack” and send him somewhere just south of Edmonton to pay more of that $10.5M to taxes.

Give them a reason.

LOL at the notion that players pay more in taxes in Alberta than in California.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by _Q_

LOL at the notion that players pay more in taxes in Alberta than in California.

What are the tax rates on everyday goods? I quit chewing tobacco because it cost me 35 dollars a day. In Merica I can chew for 4 Canadian dollars a day.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Didn't his NTC kick in today? This morning Treliving could have dealt Johnny to whatever team gave the best return, now it gets a lot more complicated. Johnny can not sign an extension and veto a trade to 26 teams. I'm not saying that will happen but it could. They should have had the framework of the deal done by now or even had it signed and then submitted asap like point. Imagine if they ask him for his 5 teams and he says: edmonton, Vancouver, winnipeg, Vegas and another team up against the cap.

Again, not saying this will happen but after seeing poor asset management over the past few years with star players it's hard to have faith that they will make smart decisions.

That's kind of what I meant though. If Tkachuk is on the table for another trade that hasn't gone through yet you don't want to put that money on the table for Gadreau yet until you know it's a sure thing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What are the tax rates on everyday goods? I quit chewing tobacco because it cost me 35 dollars a day. In Merica I can chew for 4 Canadian dollars a day.

I am sure NHL players are all very concerned about the cost of dip or cigarettes when budgeting for a move to a new market.

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[rhino]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What are the tax rates on everyday goods? I quit chewing tobacco because it cost me 35 dollars a day. In Merica I can chew for 4 Canadian dollars a day.

Well hopefully not a lot of NHL players chew then