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Old 07-28-2021, 10:17 AM   #181
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:18 AM   #182
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No matter what there were posters just waiting to put the negative spin on this. So tiresome...
Yup, gets old for sure.

"Treliving signing ANOTHER player that's almost 30 in free agency??!?!?!"



It's almost like late 20's is when players hit UFA, when else are they gonna sign him
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:18 AM   #183
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In a vacuum it isn't good.

But in the world of present day free agent signings, like I said, it's on the better end.

A player with a high floor. Seen bigger amounts spent on riskier players.
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So Hayes can be put in the reliable column.
It probably depends on the rumour. He is no doubt connected to some players, but I don't think he has a pulse on Leaguewide stuff.
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:19 AM   #185
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Hate everything about this signing.
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:20 AM   #186
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No matter what there were posters just waiting to put the negative spin on this. So tiresome...
I'm usually not super negative but the Neal and Brouwer PTSD is strong.
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An American choosing Canada, say it ain't so.

Great signing!
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:21 AM   #188
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Hate everything about this signing.
Even the part of Coleman being a legitimately great player?

Interesting...
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I'm now in camp of go big on Eichel, at all costs. Clearly not going to rebuild since we're adding expensive veterans, so might as well blow our futures wad on an elite guy like Eichel.

That HAS to be the play, right!?
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:21 AM   #190
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I do like that he did his his asking around on the team, coach and city, and came out of it convinced to sign here.

For a winner, that says good things.
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:21 AM   #191
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I'm usually not super negative but the Neal and Brouwer PTSD is strong.
It’s much more comparable to the Frolik signing

Coleman has gotten better each year and is a late bloomer so his decline might not happen as soon as predictive models indicate
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No matter what there were posters just waiting to put the negative spin on this. So tiresome...
Let's be a little realistic here. This isn't some homerun, A+ signing. Most of the deals today will end up in buyouts and this one will likely be no different. He's a good player but he's not putting this team over the top or anything so it's totally fair for some fans to not share the opinion of those that think this is a great deal.
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:22 AM   #193
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The reddit thread loves this pick-up for Calgary

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comm...blake_coleman/

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But yeah, he will instantly make the Flames better. I don't know who they'll pair him with, but he's perfect for Sutter's system, and he's exactly that extra piece the Flames need if they wanna make the playoffs and make some noise if they get there
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I like to think Treliving and Sutter were talking about this and Tre says he wants the cap hit to be under $5 million and Sutter laughs and says "give him $4,999,995."
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I do like that he did his his asking around on the team, coach and city, and came out of it convinced to sign here.

For a winner, that says good things.
Yeah from the rumor mill he was asking things like

-How is the city to live in
-What is the hockey scene like
-What is Darryl like to play for

And most importantly

-Is Johnny planning to re sign!
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I like to think Treliving and Sutter were talking about this and Tre says he wants the cap hit to be under $5 million and Sutter laughs and says "give him $4,999,995."
Lol

I still can’t believe Sutter pulled that hours before an arbitration hearing
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I like to think Treliving and Sutter were talking about this and Tre says he wants the cap hit to be under $5 million and Sutter laughs and says "give him $4,999,995."
The Ian White special (saving $5)
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:24 AM   #198
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Feels like people are underrating Coleman based on perception of him being a bottom-six guy. Like Backlund, this guy is defensively gifted and is firmly a middle-six player who will fit on the second line OR the third line depending on how they're deployed (and could play spot duty on the 1st, but won't provide the level of offence you might want from that role).

On an absolutely stacked Tampa team, Coleman was the 6th most deployed forward at even strength in the playoffs and the 3rd most deployed on the PK. In terms of shift counts, he was second, taking more shifts than Point and Kucherov.

During the regular season, he was 7th and 2nd respectively.

If you go back to the year previous with New Jersey, he was the 3rd most deployed forward at even strength and the 2nd most deployed on the PK.

This isn't a guy you're going to see much on the powerplay, but his usage elsewhere shows that calling him a "bottom six" guy doesn't do him justice... at all. On a stacked back-to-back championship team he might be a third liner... barely... but he's a guy you can absolutely trust (and absolutely has been trusted) right up the lineup.

This is a good acquisition. The term might not be great, but Coleman makes the Flames better immediately.
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:24 AM   #199
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I'm now in camp of go big on Eichel, at all costs. Clearly not going to rebuild since we're adding expensive veterans, so might as well blow our futures wad on an elite guy like Eichel.

That HAS to be the play, right!?
I'm sure the Flames want to do that, but it seems like the Flames are going to instead rely on the underlying numbers for Gaudreau and Tkachuk improving once Sutter took over to continue.

I think we are expecting too much if we are anticipating a big trade at this point.
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I just struggle with deals like this.

Coleman is a good player, but when you give him term and AAV like this, the negatives overshadow the positives.

Stanley Cup contenders don't give out contracts like this to middle six players.

Ideally you find a Blake Coleman before he comes a Blake Coleman and demands a $30 million contract.

This makes the Flames better, undoubtedly, but it probably doesn't move the needle much as a whole. The team missed the playoffs considerably last season and are no better this season. If anything, this contract just helps the Flames pick 14-18th overall next year.
I think they do.
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