Brad Treliving needs to go

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

A sincere commitment to capitalize on expiring assets and rebuild around a new core.

Since we’re not going to get that, might as well break the bank for Eichel. If that doesn’t work (and it won’t), turn the phone off and wait for the players to force a rebuild onto you.

You do realise that this does not have to—and almost certainly won't happen—tomorrow, right?

What I don't get is the anger about things that are not happening, when those things are not the thing that you want to happen in the first place. You are a masochist.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Duh. Treliving getting his walking papers tomorrow would make a whole bunch of posters on this board ecstatic. Short of the hat, probably nothing, which is annoying since Treliving is NOT getting fired between now and 2022.

Yeah, it would make me ecstatic IF the mandate to try and compete with a clearly non-competitive roster doesn’t come from ownership. We have no idea where that horrifically misguided assessment of this team comes from, so I hope it’s from the guy who doesn’t have a decision-making position basically until he dies, and we can actually move forward.

[bax]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Two GMs, both running teams mired in mediocrity that had disappointing seasons, were really under the gun this offseason to make big changes: Chuck Fletcher and Treliving. Whatever you think of the deals, Fletcher stepped up to the plate and took a big swing. Hard to understand Treliving’s rationale if he sticks with the status quo.

You don’t make a bad trade just for the sake of making a trade.

Gostisbehere, Hagg, 1st round pick, second round pick, second round pick, and 7th round pick for Rasmus Ristolainen.

It doesn’t get any uglier than that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

A sincere commitment to capitalize on expiring assets and rebuild around a new core.

Since we’re not going to get that, might as well break the bank for Eichel. If that doesn’t work (and it won’t), turn the phone off and wait for the players to force a rebuild onto you.

So, until then, your plan is to keep whining incessantly about it?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Two GMs, both running teams mired in mediocrity that had disappointing seasons, were really under the gun this offseason to make big changes: Chuck Fletcher and Treliving. Whatever you think of the deals, Fletcher stepped up to the plate and took a big swing. Hard to understand Treliving’s rationale if he sticks with the status quo.

I'm of the opinion that no change is better than overpay for Blake Coleman type of players. That said Treliving said after the season that changes needed to be made and really the only change made was forced on him by the expansion draft. It's clear there's not much of a trade market for Monahan and I have no idea what he's doing with Gaudreau who's NTC is now going to kick in. Disappointing but really I'm not a fan of the moves the Oilers and Canucks have made and to me no moves are better than moves that will cripple the team in the coming years.

I just don't care much for this group and am not overly invested in them. I think the Oilers and Canucks moves may push them ahead of the Flames and I'm okay with that as I'm perfectly happy to see the Flames back into the draft lottery next season. Backing into the rebuild is better than mortgaging the future to maintain mediocrity.

[dissentowner]

I see the pitchforks are out before free agency has even begun. It is going to be a long offseason...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm of the opinion that no change is better than overpay for Blake Coleman type of players. That said Treliving said after the season that changes needed to be made and really the only change made was forced on him by the expansion draft. It's clear there's not much of a trade market for Monahan and I have no idea what he's doing with Gaudreau who's NTC is now going to kick in. Disappointing but really I'm not a fan of the moves the Oilers and Canucks have made and to me no moves are better than moves that will cripple the team in the coming years.

I just don't care much for this group and am not overly invested in them. I think the Oilers and Canucks moves may push them ahead of the Flames and I'm okay with that as I'm perfectly happy to see the Flames back into the draft lottery next season. Backing into the rebuild is better than mortgaging the future to maintain mediocrity.

Canucks and Oilers haven't improved

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Canucks and Oilers haven't improved

Oilers will add Hyman and swap Larsson for Keith. I would say Hyman is a bigger add than the loss of Larsson. Garland is a positive add for the Canucks and OEL and Schmidt is a wash. I wouldn't call it major improvement but there's some measurable improvement there. Flames have got worse with the loss of Gio and I don't expect the Flames to find a defensive UFA that is better than him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by bax

You don’t make a bad trade just for the sake of making a trade.

Gostisbehere, Hagg, 1st round pick, second round pick, second round pick, and 7th round pick for Rasmus Ristolainen.

It doesn’t get any uglier than that.

I’m not going to defend that deal. But I’d wager the Flyers have a better season than last. Fletcher remade his roster, addressed weaknesses, and changed the dynamic in a stale core.

[Mattman]

Took a melatonin. Bradley's past free agencies are keeping me up.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You do realise that this does not have to—and almost certainly won't happen—tomorrow, right?

What I don't get is the anger about things that are not happening, when those things are not the thing that you want to happen in the first place. You are a masochist.

No, I’m a fan of a very cynical team and I’m trying to cope, just like everyone else, so you can kindly dispense with the theatrics. The Flames have made it very clear that they would rather have a consistently mediocre team than one going through the short-term pains of a necessary rebuild.

In that context, I just hope they can ice a slightly more competitive team with fewer critical gaps. But I also recognize this is not a desirable place to be for those kinds of players, and the lack of commitment to building a strong asset base has weakened the Flames’ ability to compose a competitive package for said player.

I hope for the best but always expect some awful half measure sold with a spin. And I’m usually proven right, because I’ve been following this team for a long time.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

...I hope for the best....

Hahahaha!

You could have fooled me. The only time I think I have ever seen you post is to bitch about something or another. You sound very hopeful.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The only time I think I have ever seen you post is to bitch about something or another. You sound very hopeful.

His username is Mr. Donkey, but you can call him Eeyore.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Hahahaha!

You could have fooled me. The only time I think I have ever seen you post is to bitch about something or another. You sound very hopeful.

It must be terrible for a lot of these guys to get up in the morning and start bitching about hockey to whoever will listen, tough on life.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

His username is Mr. Donkey, but you can call him Eeyore.

I lol’d at that.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Took a melatonin. Bradley's past free agencies are keeping me up.

You're going to be up in a while. Free agency doesn't actually start until 12 noon ET.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

It must be terrible for a lot of these guys to get up in the morning and start bitching about hockey to whoever will listen, tough on life.

And then there are posters like you who bitch about the people bitching about hockey. Sounds even sadder.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

No, I’m a fan of a very cynical team and I’m trying to cope, just like everyone else, so you can kindly dispense with the theatrics. The Flames have made it very clear that they would rather have a consistently mediocre team than one going through the short-term pains of a necessary rebuild.

In that context, I just hope they can ice a slightly more competitive team with fewer critical gaps. But I also recognize this is not a desirable place to be for those kinds of players, and the lack of commitment to building a strong asset base has weakened the Flames’ ability to compose a competitive package for said player.

I hope for the best but always expect some awful half measure sold with a spin. And I’m usually proven right, because I’ve been following this team for a long time.

This is exactly what we’ve been getting.
“Hardest working GM”
“In on everything”
“Lots of balls in the air”
“You don’t make trades for change’s sake. You do it to get better”
“Nothing out there made sense”
“Prices were too high”
“You need a dance partner”
“It’s a process”
“I believe in this group”
“Looking to improve the roster at all positions”

Management by cliches and buzzwords. No clear vision or direction being communicated. Speak in vague, general terms instead of giving the fanbase some Hope of the identity and type of team he wants to build.

Fully expect the spin this time is that we lost our captain and you can’t force too much change on this group. We added some pieces and turned over our bottom six/bottom pair. We have to make room for the Pelletiers and Mackeys who we expect to push for spots. We fully expect bounce back seasons from our core who will benefit from a full year under Darryl.

Hope I’m wrong but man, it sure seems like we are headed towards a lot of excuses as to why major changes weren’t made.

[bax]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’m not going to defend that deal. But I’d wager the Flyers have a better season than last. Fletcher remade his roster, addressed weaknesses, and changed the dynamic in a stale core.

I would put money on the Flames having a better season as well to be honest.

Losing Gio hurts, but he’s been slowing down. A full year of Sutter is enough by itself to ensure a better year IMO.

We will see what happens tomorrow and the rest of the off season.

[InternationalVillager]

I think the disappointing aspect of the Flames off-season so far is the lack of direction. Fans have no idea what the Flames are up to or what direction they are even thinking of heading in. I believe the lack of dialogue from management to the Fans combined with the lack of rumours being leaked has led to this. As a fan - I get it. An off-season with barely any news (thus far) is pretty lame/boring.

In Treliving’s defense (LOL!), he has been asked some pretty direct questions at his press conferences. He’s pretty much refused to give much of an answer.