[News] As expected Kraken select Giordano from the Flames

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Which contender could absorb the cap hit, even pro rated?

So do you believe Treliving tried very hard at the deadline to move Gio but just couldn't find any team that wanted him?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

So do you believe Treliving tried very hard at the deadline to move Gio but just couldn't find any team that wanted him?

No, I believe he thought they had a shot and wasn’t interested in a fire sale. But I also think he didn’t have a whole lot of trading partners for a non-expiring and expensive contract for a 38 year old Dman. If any team wanted him, they also have phones.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Which contender could absorb the cap hit, even pro rated?

Doesn't have to be a contender. Winnipeg could have used a D.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Doesn't have to be a contender. Winnipeg could have used a D.

Winnipeg had zero cap space at the TDL. And no spaces for a D to be protected. Unless you figure they were giving up on the first rounder Logan Stanley, or Morrisey or Demelo.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, I believe he thought they had a shot and wasn’t interested in a fire sale. But I also think he didn’t have a whole lot of trading partners for a non-expiring and expensive contract for a 38 year old Dman. If any team wanted him, they also have phones.

Exactly. So he lost Gio and Brodie for nothing for some false hope this team was going to do something when pretty much everything pointed to the opposite. For a team that wants to re tool on the fly some extra picks sure would have helped. So if some want to try and tell themselves no deals were available thats fine but I think we all know he didn't even try.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Winnipeg had zero cap space at the TDL. And no spaces for a D to be protected. Unless you figure they were giving up on the first rounder Logan Stanley, or Morrisey or Demelo.

He doesn't need to be protected. If you're making a playoff run and want to bolster your team then an unprotected Gio is basically a UFA Gio.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Exactly. So he lost Gio and Brodie for nothing for some false hope this team was going to do something when pretty much everything pointed to the opposite. For a team that wants to re tool on the fly some extra picks sure would have helped. So if some want to try and tell themselves no deals were available thats fine but I think we all know he didn't even try.

Why are you lumping Brodie in? He wasn’t traded because they were IN the POs at the time, and because he hoped to re-sign him. He lost Gio a year later because they thought they had a shot and because there wasn’t really a market anyway. This year would have been a completely different story.

You can’t name a team that had (a) cap space; (b) needed the D help for a cup run and (c) could afford a protection slot.

[Hackey]

Like I said he doesn't need to be protected. Every team going into the playoffs wants to bolster their defense. So if he's unprotected and gets taken big deal. He's essentially like any UFA rental any other year.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

His interviews are so incredibly frustrating.
He talks about planning for this for a year and knowing it was coming for 2 years but when asked if there was trades they tried to make he just says "we're going to keep that internal".

The media give him mostly fluff questions because he won't answer anything serious anyway.

I know you can't share everything with fans but it's so frustrating to hear how they plan for things, look at situations, and never any specifics or even tidbits of what those are.

It really does come off as empty lip service to save face.

Bad GM who will not lead us anywhere. I'm all but used to it. Guy should be in politics, not running an NHL franchise.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Like I said he doesn't need to be protected. Every team going into the playoffs wants to bolster their defense. So if he's unprotected and gets taken big deal. He's essentially like any UFA rental any other year.

LOL. You still haven’t ID’d this team that would give up assets for him and who had the cap room. Hint - it wasn’t Winnipeg.

[GreenLantern2814]

I don’t think they flew Gio out to Seattle, made him be a part of the reveal ceremony, said publicly he could be captain, only to trade him to the Rangers.

He sure looks odd in a different sweater.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL. You still haven’t ID’d this team that would give up assets for him and who had the cap room. Hint - it wasn’t Winnipeg.

How do you know that none of the playoff teams would have traded for him?
Have you spoke to all of them? That's 16 more conversations than our GM had.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

How do you know that none of the playoff teams would have traded for him?
Have you spoke to all of them? That's 16 more conversations than our GM had.

How do you know that any of them would? Have you spoken to all of them and verified that ‘our GM’ never talked to any of them?

One of the most common complaints about Treliving is that he's always talking to teams about trades but never gets the deals done. Are you really going to turn around and tell me this was the one time that he never talked to anyone at all?

Several posters have spelled out the reasons why a contender would have had a tough time fitting Giordano on their roster. The cap is fixed, even mediocre teams are right up against it, most of the good teams are already into LTIR money and have zero cap room banked, the contract isn't expiring, and on top of all that, it's right before the expansion draft. As for non-contenders, they wouldn't be picking up rentals at all. That doesn't give anybody an incentive to offer a good price.

My hunch is that nobody was offering more than a B prospect or a mid-round pick. In that case I'd have said, ‘Screw it. I'm going to lose a different player anyway and this kind of return won't make up for that. Short-term I'd rather keep Giordano. Long-term I'd rather have Kylington than the steaming piles these other GMs are offering.’

If that's the case, he wasn't necessarily wrong, he was just SOL.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

How do you know that any of them would? Have you spoken to all of them and verified that ‘our GM’ never talked to any of them?
.

I dont know & haven't made assertions that I do. But it's certainly possible.

There are many examples of teams aquring salary at the deadline, every single year.
They can move salary back in exchange, make other trades to free up cap room or have the other team retain some salary.
The assertion that no one could have possibly traded for Gio is ridiculous.

Whether BT considered this or not, we will never know.
Mr Perfect doesn't give indications of his activity to anyone outside he organization and media no longer dare to ask.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

How do you know that none of the playoff teams would have traded for him?
Have you spoke to all of them? That's 16 more conversations than our GM had.

Because I can see Capfriendly. And if they wanted Gio Treliving wouldn’t have to call them, they’d call Treliving.

[mrdonkey]

Can we please put aside all the bickering and just have a nice thread about Mark Jankowski?

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Can we please put aside all the bickering and just have a nice thread about Mark Jankowski?

I’m jonesing for some Bennett talk right about now

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I dont know & haven't made assertions that I do.

Here's what you asserted:

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

How do you know that none of the playoff teams would have traded for him?
Have you spoke to all of them? That's 16 more conversations than our GM had.

You claimed to know with certainty that Treliving never even talked to anybody about the possibility of trading Giordano. That is exactly the claim I said you made. Given what we know about how Treliving does business, it's a silly claim to make. Am I seriously supposed to believe that Mark Giordano was the only player in the league he wasn't ‘in on’?

[Boreal]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418007726106451969

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[Jetfire]

^ Actually just to add to your bunch of tweets, Boreal, I just saw this one too from Haynes:

https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/st...28617695567873

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418028617695567873

Thank you so much Gio.