Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[blender]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I mean on the ice, and in every other aspect.

You are on a roll tonight, I'll give you that.

Do you think if Gaudreau wasn't in the lineup that Mangiapane would be as effective? When the Flames can roll out Gaudreau's line it opens up matchups for players like Mangiapane. Same with Gio and Brodie in relation to Anderson. He graduated to the top pair this past season and it was a gong show.

Mangiapane is a good player, and we are all hoping he continues to develop, but if you can't see the difference between him and Gaudreau then there isn't much to talk about with you.

[dammage79]

Loving this Flames fan civil war style debate. Who has claim!? All, have claim!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I mean on the ice, and in every other aspect.

One of the most ridiculous things I have read on here and that is pretty damn hard to accomplish.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I mean on the ice, and in every other aspect.

lol

99 point career high Vs. 32 point career high

this is why we can't have nice things


can't wait to see them battle it out at the olympics! oh wait, one won't be there

[The Fonz]

Bump this thread in 2yrs.

[blender]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Bump this thread in 2yrs.

It will be interesting, like a lot of threads where people are making bold predictions.
More than likely what we will see is that Gaudreau will be a top-20 offensive player (playing for whoever), and Mangiapane will be a 50-point winger with a knack for coming up big in the clutch.

Hopefully they are both Flames.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

can't wait to see them battle it out at the olympics! oh wait, one won't be there

What’s the point of this comment? If Gaudreau were Canadian he wouldn’t be at the Olympics either.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Mangiapane has greater value to this team than Gaudreau.

Hmmmmmm. Not sure I get your angle.

Based on what I watched last year I don’t think Sutter agrees with you.

Mangiapane is an important cog and in my mind a very effective player. But Johnny drives the offensive bus for the Flames.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Rubbish. Monahan started out that year as the team's #3 centre, and did not become the #1 until the following year. He scored 19 goals and 27 points at even strength; only 3 and 7 on the power play. His average time on ice that year was 15:59, which is emphatically not ‘first-line minutes’. (Backlund and Stajan were both over 18 minutes that year.)

I got this information from a two-minute search at hockey-reference.com.

Monahan came in 8th in Calder voting -- the list with the vote total

1 Nathan MacKinnon 1347
2 Ondrej Palat 791
3 Tyler Johnson 352
4 Torey Krug 287
5 Olli Maatta 225
6 Jacob Trouba 213
7 Hampus Lindholm 208
8 Sean Monahan 38

Seth Jones, Hertl, Krieder and Barkov got also ran votes that year. Kucherov was a rookie as well and got no votes 9 goals 18 pts in 52 games


After 3 years he likely would have been at least top-3 and quite likely top of the list of 2013-14 rookies.

After the past 2 years he would not be near so valued as he was in his first 3.

He is so hard to figure out from his stats line. In the bubble he had 8 pts in 10 games. Does that indicate that he played well or was clutch in important games as that sort of Stat line would usually indicate?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hmmmmmm. Not sure I get your angle.

Based on what I watched last year I don’t think Sutter agrees with you.

Mangiapane is an important cog and in my mind a very effective player. But Johnny drives the offensive bus for the Flames.

I get Gaudreau has the higher value,

However 5 on 5 Johnny is not currently the offensive weapon on the team.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by flambers

I get Gaudreau has the higher value,

However 5 on 5 Johnny is not currently the offensive weapon on the team.

He is when they have a competent player on his RW.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

He is when they have a competent player on his RW.

Maybe,

Who knows if they can find a first line right winger.

A star player if he signs for $7m plus a season should drive the line...

Not the other way around.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

With a Johnny 1 year from UFA, the deal is seldom fair to both sides.

What is Johnny’s motivation to accept less than 8 years?

Johnny holds all the cards. Trading for Eichel likely only makes sense with Johnny signed. Is Calgary really going to hold the line on the term?

Plus, the longer term likely means a bit less AAV.

Oh course the Flames would prefer a term of 5-6 years. But Johnny choosing to accept a term making him an UFA again at a age which does not favour him is not going to happen.

I would agree 100% in a moving cap world. Not so sure in a flat cap world.

Top players may take shorter terms in order to get up for renewal again in their careers with some runway left.

5 years wouldn't shock me at all.

[dissentowner]

6 years, $48M is my guess.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

6 years, $48M is my guess.

Treliving seems to love 6 year deals, almost regardless of the age of the player.
As far as I can tell, only Monahan's deal, 7 years, has been longer.

Gio, Johnny, Lindholm, Andersson, Hanafin, Markstrom, and Backlund all signed 6 year deals.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by flambers

I get Gaudreau has the higher value,

However 5 on 5 Johnny is not currently the offensive weapon on the team.

I think he is when you pair him with competent players. Last season was a good case study.

With a center that can’t keep up due to skating and an AHL calibre RW he was invisible.

With a highly skilled center and a “franchise” RW he gets you a point a game.

Johnny is not going to carry a team on his back. But stick him with high level players and he’s a wizard.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think he is when you pair him with competent players. Last season was a good case study.

With a center that can’t keep up due to skating and an AHL calibre RW he was invisible.

With a highly skilled center and a “franchise” RW he gets you a point a game.

Johnny is not going to carry a team on his back. But stick him with high level players and he’s a wizard.

So Kessel level. AZ and Pittsburgh pay $6.8M for Kessel (Toronto pays the rest of his $8M).

ETA: of course, there’s some inflation that needs to be added in.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I would agree 100% in a moving cap world. Not so sure in a flat cap world.

Top players may take shorter terms in order to get up for renewal again in their careers with some runway left.

5 years wouldn't shock me at all.

Johnny will be 29 when his next contract kicks in.

He’s going to want as long a term as he can get.

Once his next contract is up, he’s going to have to go short term for the rest of his career.

When players get a long term contract out of their ELC, they may take a 5 year contract or so, that’s to ensure they still have some runway left to get their big 8 year deal. At that stage, teams would have fathered gone 8 years to get the extra UFA years locked up. I wish we could have gone 8 years with Johnny originally, but he wanted to be sure he wasn’t too old for his next contract. It would be nice now to have Johnny signed for 3 more years. It would be much easier to let him walk then, than now.

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[Vinny01]

Friedman stating that he has heard the narrative that “Johnny doesn’t want to stay here” really pisses off Gaudreau.

Johnny is going to sign here for spite.

[ComixZone]

^^Vinny may be able to confirm?vv

https://twitter.com/user/status/1414697391681245184

Didn't hear it myself, but I'm sure they'll have it up on the Fan shortly.

If Gaudreau is wanting to wait...then I think you need to trade him. You can't let that NTC kick in and give the player further leverage.