CP Flames 1st Round draft selection (Poll #3)

[Jiri Hrdina]

#1: Cole Sillinger: 42%
#2: Mason McTavish: 41%

[Bingo]

I went with the goalie ... which freaked me out.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I went with the goalie ... which freaked me out.

Which may tell you something about the quality of this draft? It's wide open with not a lot of high quality players. There are some good ones, but I think this one lacks in top end talent. You'll get some pretty good middle six players out this draft IMO, but I think the first line stars are missing.

I went with Raty because he's a big skilled center. We need size and we need skill. Raty fits the bill. My only concern is he's a faller, which does raise a red flag, but it may be a result of name fatigue.

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Goalie

[Jiri Hrdina]

First close vote
I went with goal scoring with Lucius but upon reflection would change to the goalie as he has true franchise player potential.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Which may tell you something about the quality of this draft? It's wide open with not a lot of high quality players. There are some good ones, but I think this one lacks in top end talent. You'll get some pretty good middle six players out this draft IMO, but I think the first line stars are missing.

I went with Raty because he's a big skilled center. We need size and we need skill. Raty fits the bill. My only concern is he's a faller, which does raise a red flag, but it may be a result of name fatigue.

Do you think this is because of a lower quality of talent pool or covid limiting the ability of time for scouts or stats to distinguish between the talent. In this draft in particular more bullets is probably a good philosophy. I think this will be one of the drafts that we see multiple how did so many teams skip X 10 years from now.

I don’t really have a strong opinion at all this year aside from no goalies.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

First close vote
I went with goal scoring with Lucius but upon reflection would change to the goalie as he has true franchise player potential.

Based on what? The scouting reports I have read said he is a tier below Knight and Askarov. It would be so Calgary Flames to draft a goalie high which rarely pans out when there are more pressing needs at every other position. Craziness. Let's do Brent Krahn all over again.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Wallstedt. Really starting to warm up to him, and hopefully he, Wolf, and Chechelev really compete for the starting role as a franchise goalie for the Flames. We desperately need one, and we have the patience for it while we roll with Markstrom.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think this is because of a lower quality of talent pool or covid limiting the ability of time for scouts or stats to distinguish between the talent. In this draft in particular more bullets is probably a good philosophy. I think this will be one of the drafts that we see multiple how did so many teams skip X 10 years from now.

I don’t really have a strong opinion at all this year aside from no goalies.

I think it's a little of both, but more lesser quality players than anything. This draft has been looked at for the past couple of years being a step down from the past two, and the next two to come. In the fiver year block, this would be considered to be the weakest of the five. I think it's going to be very 2012 in stature. You'll get some good players, but no major stars. The best player of the bunch may very well be a goaltender because the rest of the pool is so underwhelming in the long run. It will be interesting to watch unfold, but the way the projections are all over the board it is indicative of there being no standouts.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Based on what? The scouting reports I have read said he is a tier below Knight and Askarov. It would be so Calgary Flames to draft a goalie high which rarely pans out when there are more pressing needs at every other position. Craziness. Let's do Brent Krahn all over again.

You don’t use the draft to address pressing needs

[ComixZone]

I’ve been Wallstedt all along. If he’s actually available at 12, I just don’t see how we could pass him by. In a draft where few players seem to be “franchise altering” picks, he stands a real chance of being just that (and is why he likely won’t get past Detroit/San Jose).

TheHockeyWriters did a write up on Wallstedt using Byron Bader’s dataset. To say he is a tier below Knight/Askarov doesn’t seem quite fair. Link.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You don’t use the draft to address pressing needs

100% correct !
Best prospect available, in the team’s opinion.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Based on what? The scouting reports I have read said he is a tier below Knight and Askarov. It would be so Calgary Flames to draft a goalie high which rarely pans out when there are more pressing needs at every other position. Craziness. Let's do Brent Krahn all over again.

What in the last 6 years of drafting (Treliving era) would suggest "it would be so Calgary Flames" to do anything but take the best player available with their pick?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’ve been Wallstedt all along. If he’s actually available at 12, I just don’t see how we could pass him by. In a draft where few players seem to be “franchise altering” picks, he stands a real chance of being just that (and is why he likely won’t get past Detroit/San Jose).

TheHockeyWriters did a write up on Wallstedt using Byron Bader’s dataset. To say he is a tier below Knight/Askarov doesn’t seem quite fair. Link.

Well I don’t believe Askarov is on Knights tier so I’m throwing their entire take out the window.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’ve been Wallstedt all along. If he’s actually available at 12, I just don’t see how we could pass him by. In a draft where few players seem to be “franchise altering” picks, he stands a real chance of being just that (and is why he likely won’t get past Detroit/San Jose).

TheHockeyWriters did a write up on Wallstedt using Byron Bader’s dataset. To say he is a tier below Knight/Askarov doesn’t seem quite fair. Link.

Yup - he's played at a high level against quality competition. And he's got very good projectible skills and attributes - including being a good size but still athletic.

If you can secure that position for the next 10-15 years, between Markstrom and him - it means you don't have to worry about expending capital to shore up your goaltending. One only needs to look at how much capital the Flames have spent on trying to find a new #1 since Kipper left to see how this can continue to hurt your franchise.

For what it's worth, I do not think the gap between him and Cossa is large. A move down coupled with picking Cossa would also be of interest to me.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by timbit

100% correct !
Best prospect available, in the team’s opinion.

Are there any influences on the team's decision? Do they not look at the depth chart and let that influence the selection if they have two players at the same level? Do they look at development time and consider the investment of a pick?

[Monahammer]

Statistically speaking, it could be possible that Jesper Wallstedt is the best Swedish goalie of all time at his age. No guarantee he continues to develop on that trajectory but he is being undersold here imo.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Are there any influences on the team's decision? Do they not look at the depth chart and let that influence the selection if they have two players at the same level? Do they look at development time and consider the investment of a pick?

Button said it's part of the decision process. Not a major part but it's definitely an ingredient in their list making recipe.


If there was a draft where you could put more emphasis on organizational need, this would be the draft.

Especially at 12. There's 3 RHS fowrds that could be available which is a team need. 2 of those 3 RHS are Centers. And one pure RW.

There's potentially 3 or 4 centers in their window that's also an organizational need.

Maybe 1 d man depending on their rankings list and 2 goalies.

If Wallstedt did make it to 12, he has to be at or near the top of their list.

It's not a sexy adding offensive potential pick but it's a good pick none the less.

But I find it tough to pass on some of the offensive potential of the fw group in the Flames range either.

Long and short of it, Flames will get their #1 organizational prospect at 12. Or, they trade down, or trade up. I was thinking Ottawa looks like they'd be a trade down candidate.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Button said it's part of the decision process. Not a major part but it's definitely an ingredient in their list making recipe.


If there was a draft where you could put more emphasis on organizational need, this would be the draft.

Especially at 12. There's 3 RHS fowrds that could be available which is a team need. 2 of those 3 RHS are Centers. And one pure RW.

There's potentially 3 or 4 centers in their window that's also an organizational need.

Maybe 1 d man depending on their rankings list and 2 goalies.

If Wallstedt did make it to 12, he has to be at or near the top of their list.

It's not a sexy adding offensive potential pick but it's a good pick none the less.

But I find it tough to pass on some of the offensive potential of the fw group in the Flames range either.

Long and short of it, Flames will get their #1 organizational prospect at 12. Or, they trade down, or trade up. I was thinking Ottawa looks like they'd be a trade down candidate.

I’ve heard this a few times. Can anyone clarify why this year’s pick would become the flames top prospect automatically? Zary was taken in a deep draft and was predicted to go much higher than he did (I think he was supposed to be gone by the 12th pick). This is a weaker draft in a year with a lot of unknowns.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What in the last 6 years of drafting (Treliving era) would suggest "it would be so Calgary Flames" to do anything but take the best player available with their pick?

Taking a goalie in the 1st rnd is foolish, history has repeatedly shown this. The drafting has been good the past 6 years but let's not act like making poor decisions overall over the past 6 years has not been BT's MO. Can someone explain to me how wallstedt is a better prospect than Wolf? Is it because he is 3 inches taller?