[Rumour] Tarasenko has requested a trade and the Blues interest in Tkachuk

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Same outcome. Through arbitration he is forced to sign the one year contract determined by the arbiter, then becomes a UFA at the completion of that contract. Still holds the majority of the cards and only makes it worse for the team because the process is bloody and public.

Yes, it’s the same outcome with regards to team control. If he signs a 1 year contract then he will likely be gone at the end of it. My point was that without a guaranteed $9M payday he might be more inclined to sign a longer deal at a lower cap hit, $8M for example.

Again I don’t know if it’s a good deal for the player, or the team. I don’t work as an agent, or a GM. I’m just saying that security might be something Tkachuk is after, especially if he doesn’t have the best season.

[Zoller]

Tarasenko could be our Kucherov. We could sit him all season and bring him in for the playoffs.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Tarasenko could be our Kucherov. We could sit him all season and bring him in for the playoffs.

Gotta make the playoffs first.

[Roof-Daddy]

Honestly, this Tkachuk situation is starting to play out just like Gaudreau.

Tkachuk needs to be either extended long term this off season or dealt before his value keeps dropping, because nobody is going to give up anything of value when everyone and their sister knows where the guy is most likely to end up when he finally gets to choose for himself.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yup, and all of this started with me responding to someone saying he’s going to walk as a UFA. They do have control, for 2 more seasons. Sure it’s uncomfortable if he wants the qualifying offer. But he’s still under team control and can be dealt anywhere.

Yep and the team he is dealt to won't want to have certainty that he will sign with them at a reasonable Cap and term??

Trade him to a Canadian team or the list of teams that he does not want to play and he just says same as Calgary ho hum I will be making 9M for the next year or two while I pick my team.

If he has told the Flames that he wants to get traded to St. L then it would be similar but worse than Adam Fox and Jacob Trouba wanting to play in NY. The team gets as much value out as they can Trouba ( coming off a career season) got traded for Neil Pionk and #20 OA. Carolina traded Fox for 2019 #37 OA and 2020 #41 OA

Had the players not made it clear that they would only sign with a list of 3/4 teams there would have been a greater return. As it was Wpg and Carolina were glad to get some value back rather than nothing...they didn't have control.

If Tkachuk focuses on St. L then why would St. L give fair value for him rather than let the UFA thing play out and sign him then? Why would any other team give full value for Tkachuk as a rental on his way to St. L?

Today they would likely give Taresenko and a late 1st or if the Flames want a small skilled D-man Scott Perunovich instead of the 1st

Unless Tkachuk reverts back to 2018-19 form the offer will go down over time

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Honestly, this Tkachuk situation is starting to play out just like Gaudreau.

Tkachuk needs to be either extended long term this off season or dealt before his value keeps dropping, because nobody is going to give up anything of value when everyone and their sister knows where the guy is most likely to end up when he finally gets to choose for himself.

For the record, Gaudreau has never once hinted at anything other than wanting to play in Calgary. He's also never looked or acted like he didn't want to be here.

I would argue that the whole "Johhny wants to play in Philly" thing was started on this very message board, and that any media stories about it are just speculative and based on the ensuing comments from people on this very message board. Some people here see how close Johnny is with his family, and they couple that with an internal belief that no one as good as him would want to stay here, and then regurgitate it over and over again until other people start to think it's true. Before you know it, it becomes, "everyone knows Johnny is headed to Philly as soon as he can."

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I never said Tkachuks deal would also be 8 years. I bet nowhere near 8 years. What if it’s 9.5 for 4 or 5 years? Young superstar? Maybe young superstar is a bit bias comment as well. Schenn is an anchor but his numbers are pretty good over the last 3 years but Tkachuk is a superstar. Maybe an all star but right now he isn’t a top 25 player in the league and sounds like he wants out and probably holds the flames hostage in contract talks. He’s not mackinnon so I’m not giving him a blank cheque. Sorry he isn’t that good and his value has dropped if the rumours are true and factoring in his contract

Tarasenko will never score again schenn is an anchor but monahan will be fine after his surgery no concerns from his yearly off season surgeries and Tkachuk is a superstar now and he’s worth whatever he wants.

If we move these guys and want firsts and good young players we might have to take on a risky contract. Id prefer to take a chance on tarasenko because it’s short term and if we continue to suck maybe we can sell him off as a rental.

This team is not good enough and what it needs is a true young superstar or 2 to build around. We don’t have any right now

Schenn is not an anchor yet but he is 30 and outside of one year 3 years ago when he had 70pts he has never cracked 60 in any other year. Never once scoring 30 goals. I am not saying Monahan will be fine but I like the 2 years of term left vs 7 years Schenn has. I am not a fan of paying Schenn 6.5M for 50-55pts. I agree with you on Tarasenko his 2 years are something I would be okay with trading Monahan for. If Schenn had 2-3 years left I would have a different opinion as well.

It is the height of stupidity to trade a player when his value is low. Look you are now saying Tkachuk isn’t a superstar anymore. You have to go back decades to find a Flame who had a better season at age 21. Unless he requests a trade there is no need to move him for anything short of an overpayment. The team has vehemently denied he requested a trade. Andy Strickland on the fan said today the Blues have interest but he knows that Tkachuk has not asked for a trade.

The Blues have no young superstars coming and their picks are mid-late in the first round. That is not going to build the Flames up. Kyrou is the same age as Tkachuk.

People are putting way way way too much stock into Tkachuk’s down year where he still paced for a season that would have been Schenn’s second best.

Tkachuk is more than points he brings a unique and rare element that definitely makes him a superstar and potential franchise player. I think several factors impacted his rough year. Ward was a disaster of a coach as we saw how he handled Bennett and multiple closed door meetings in the first month of the season. There were no fans in the stands and I think the love/hate fuels Tkachuk and I think helps keep his teammates engaged. They seemed uninterested in playing emotional hockey for the majority of the season. He is 23 stuck in a hotel/apartment I couldn’t imagine how that felt for young players.


There is a much much longer list of things the flames should do before trading Tkachuk for a 30+ player and some middling futures that lack the potential to be what Tkachuk is now.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

For the record, Gaudreau has never once hinted at anything other than wanting to play in Calgary. He's also never looked or acted like he didn't want to be here.

I would argue that the whole "Johhny wants to play in Philly" thing was started on this very message board, and that any media stories about it are just speculative and based on the ensuing comments from people on this very message board. Some people here see how close Johnny is with his family, and they couple that with an internal belief that no one as good as him would want to stay here, and then regurgitate it over and over again until other people start to think it's true.

I have a lot of respect for Johnny. He's a loyal guy it would seem.

He could have very easily waited one more year and then signed wherever the F he wanted. Hell, if he would have just hinted at doing that the Flames would have had to trade him the same way they were forced to give away that weasely piece of crap Adam Fox.

But if he won't sign a fair extension this off season he needs to be traded, because if he makes it to UFA I'd say it's at least 95% he's gone for no return.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

For the record, Gaudreau has never once hinted at anything other than wanting to play in Calgary. He's also never looked or acted like he didn't want to be here.

I would argue that the whole "Johhny wants to play in Philly" thing was started on this very message board, and that any media stories about it are just speculative and based on the ensuing comments from people on this very message board. Some people here see how close Johnny is with his family, and they couple that with an internal belief that no one as good as him would want to stay here, and then regurgitate it over and over again until other people start to think it's true. Before you know it, it becomes, "everyone knows Johnny is headed to Philly as soon as he can."

https://www.nhl.com/news/calgary-fla...ay/c-290470170

"I have a ton of family here, all my friends," the 23-year-old said. "I actually have a wedding this weekend in South Jersey, and all my friends come back here. All my good friends and kids who I have played with all my life are from South Jersey, so it would be sweet to play here someday.

"You never know in sports. It's a lot of support back here in South Jersey and the Philly area, they follow me pretty well."

That's where it started. Out of Johnny's mouth on WIP-Sports radio.

[Roof-Daddy]

Honestly, given the fact that Tkachuk has only one year left on his contract, then he's an RFA with a $9 million QO an only one year away from being a 25 year old UFA, if the Blues offer Tarasenko, Kyrou/Thomas and a 1st, I probably take it.

This is also assuming that we can't send Tkachuk + to Buffalo for Eichel.

[HighLifeMan]

Monahan/Dube for Tarasenko/Thomas as a base of a deal makes sense to me.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Honestly, given the fact that Tkachuk has only one year left on his contract, then he's an RFA with a $9 million QO an only one year away from being a 25 year old UFA, if the Blues offer Tarasenko, Kyrou/Thomas and a 1st, I probably take it.

This is also assuming that we can't send Tkachuk + to Buffalo for Eichel.

I would wait for next summer to be honest. Roll the dice Tkachuk bounces back with a career season and if the team does well he may want to stay. That Blues package is more of a risk than seeing if he can bounce back and perhaps increase his value. Tkachuk scores 40 goals and 90pts next year no one is bitching about that QO.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Honestly, given the fact that Tkachuk has only one year left on his contract, then he's an RFA with a $9 million QO an only one year away from being a 25 year old UFA, if the Blues offer Tarasenko, Kyrou/Thomas and a 1st, I probably take it.

This is also assuming that we can't send Tkachuk + to Buffalo for Eichel.

Take out the / and I would accept. Personally I think Kyrou is on his way to being a #1 RW but I still want Thomas as well.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Honestly, given the fact that Tkachuk has only one year left on his contract, then he's an RFA with a $9 million QO an only one year away from being a 25 year old UFA, if the Blues offer Tarasenko, Kyrou/Thomas and a 1st, I probably take it.

This is also assuming that we can't send Tkachuk + to Buffalo for Eichel.

I agree assuming rumours are true that Tkachuk wants out

Some are cherry picking Thomas 12 points in 33 games and comparing to dube or mangiapane. Thomas did have 42 in 66 as a 20 year old…Dube has 43 career points and is a year older. Mangiapane is closer but he’s even 25 and I don’t see why we wouldn’t want another player his caliber added to the team. Thomas coming off a bad year might resign a bridge deal for cheap because of the bad year

Add a first and maybe you take the first in 22.

If tarasenko stays healthy this could be a steal of a deal

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Tarasenko could be our Kucherov. We could sit him all season and bring him in for the playoffs.

You're assuming that the Flames will make the playoffs even with Sutter behind the bench.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Almost every hockey trade in this flat-cap NHL will involve something close to dollar-for-dollar cap hits. So expect any Tkachuk deal to bring back at least $6 mil in salary. As for the term on Schenn’s contract, by all accounts this franchise is in win now mode. How that cap hit looks four or five years from now is a problem for future GM.

And as much as fans wish it were true, you don’t get everything you want in a trade. But step up to the plate. Let’s see a trade you think gives both teams what they need at a price they’re willing to pay.

I can't. As I've said a couple times, I think it is impossible to make a trade with St. Louis involving Tkachuk that will give Calgary anything close to fair value. They simply do not have the necessary high-end pieces.

There is no permutation of St. Louis' assets that would come close to making a workable foundation for a trade.

[Robbob]

St. Louis needs to throw in an additional pick to alleviate the potential tampering claims. Kind of how Erixon brought back a couple 2nds and a prospect.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree assuming rumours are true that Tkachuk wants out

Some are cherry picking Thomas 12 points in 33 games and comparing to dube or mangiapane. Thomas did have 42 in 66 as a 20 year old…Dube has 43 career points and is a year older. Mangiapane is closer but he’s even 25 and I don’t see why we wouldn’t want another player his caliber added to the team. Thomas coming off a bad year might resign a bridge deal for cheap because of the bad year

Add a first and maybe you take the first in 22.

If tarasenko stays healthy this could be a steal of a deal

Tarasenko may cement himself as a boat anchor contract as well. If Tarasenko busts on the Flames how can this team compete with Tarasenko and Lucic chewing up $13M of a flat cap?

I would only want a cap dump if the Flames are getting a guy that looks like a future elite core piece. The Habs deal for Pacioretty for instance. They took Tatar on but got Suzuki. Tkachuk is a higher caliber player than Pacioretty so I would want a higher caliber prospect coming back than Suzuki and I don’t think Thomas is that player

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tarasenko may cement himself as a boat anchor contract as well. If Tarasenko busts on the Flames how can this team compete with Tarasenko and Lucic chewing up $13M of a flat cap?

I would only want a cap dump if the Flames are getting a guy that looks like a future elite core piece. The Habs deal for Pacioretty for instance. They took Tatar on but got Suzuki. Tkachuk is a higher caliber player than Pacioretty so I would want a higher caliber prospect coming back than Suzuki and I don’t think Thomas is that player

But of all the boat anchor deals tarasenko has potential to be a top end player. What if he is healthy and plays well? Boat anchor deals like Neal or lucic aren’t all equal in my eyes. There is still potential that tarasenko is still a very good player where we all knew we weren’t getting much more than what we are getting out of lucic.

Are we competing this year with Johnny and Tkachuk? Sure I’d love to snag turcotte or cozens type prospects but you continue to fail to acknowledge that at least a team like Buffalo probably can’t sign Tkachuk similar to us. I’m sure doughty would love adding Tkachuk to the kings. Our options could be very limited on who wants him

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But of all the boat anchor deals tarasenko has potential to be a top end player. What if he is healthy and plays well? Boat anchor deals like Neal or lucic aren’t all equal in my eyes. There is still potential that tarasenko is still a very good player where we all knew we weren’t getting much more than what we are getting out of lucic.

Are we competing this year with Johnny and Tkachuk? Sure I’d love to snag turcotte or cozens type prospects but you continue to fail to acknowledge that at least a team like Buffalo probably can’t sign Tkachuk similar to us. I’m sure doughty would love adding Tkachuk to the kings. Our options could be very limited on who wants him

I agree no one expected much out of Lucic. But Neal? Everyone expected 20 goals at a minimum because that’s what he scored every prior year.