2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Not a huge fan of Francis' schtick and sensationalism but I think the sentiment of the argument he's making isn't far off.

Yeah it’s a balanced break down of the situation
Nothing wrong with it at all

[dammage79]

This is the 2nd time this offseason a Francis article has aligned with my view on the Flames situation. I feel ill but it's also correct.

[1qqaaz]

I actually think the article is nonsense, as per usual.

So shipping off players like Tkachuk (UFA in 2 years after a 1 year $9 mill QO) and Dube for Eichel is excessively risky. But wasn't signing old/washed-up players like Neal, Brouwer, Raymond, Tanev, Markstrom to big deals also excessively risky? Yet here we are.

And isn't the ultimate risk prolonged mediocrity? I think most of us would be happy with anything other than this. Terrible rebuilding team? Sure, love it. Contending superstar team? Even better. Just not mediocrity. Just not more of the same.

By the way, Eichel won't get much more than Tkachuk + Dube + 12OA. I guarantee it.
He's barely worth that. And there are practically no players like Tkachuk who are even available. Buffalo is in for a rude awakening if they think they can get much more. I also doubt that they want to acquire picks and rebuild with 18 year olds. They would rather have young players who are already or soon-to-be elite.

[HighLifeMan]

Yeah, I just don't buy it. Francis loves being the villain.

Everyone loves to point out how Tkachuk has just two years of "potential" team control and how much of a risk that is but casually gloss over Eichel's significant injury concerns, huge caphit, and questionable attitude issues.

The difference in production between the two amounts to roughly 12-15 points a season, and while that is significant, the gap between the two certainly isn't "five other" pieces like the Francis article mentions.

To suggest that Tkachuk, Dube, and the 12th overall pick isn't even close is nothing short of hysterical and as usual further demonstrates how undervalued our players are within our city and media outlets.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

The Francis article is premised on the idea that Tkachuk, Dube and 12OA is "not even close", but then also points out the injury risk of Eichel. I find it hard to believe the first can be true if the second point is also factored in.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

The Francis article is premised on the idea that Tkachuk, Dube and 12OA is "not even close", but then also points out the injury risk of Eichel. I find it hard to believe the first can be true if the second point is also factored in.

I suspect that Buffalo's asking price is under the assumption that Eichel is healthy and ready to go without further issues or setbacks. In that sense, I agree that Tkachuk, Dube, and the 12th OA would not be enough. Given the question marks around Eichel, it should be enough, but I think Buffalo is holding out for someone to pay the healthy Eichel price.

It just depends on how much risk the acquiring team is willing to accept. It is a little telling that Buffalo isn't letting teams talk to Eichel or their medical staff before negotiating. I suspect that Buffalo will have to release all the information they have before a trade is finalized though, as per the typical protocol for trading an injured player.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

The Francis article is premised on the idea that Tkachuk, Dube and 12OA is "not even close", but then also points out the injury risk of Eichel. I find it hard to believe the first can be true if the second point is also factored in.

I kind of see it this way as well. Unless Buffalo is dead set on a top 5 pick or a potential elite C, an offer like that must be an awfully reasonable starting point.

Now Dube may not be valued all that much in that deal, so Flames might need to negotiate around that. I could also see Flames wanting some more depth coming back their way.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah it’s a balanced break down of the situation
Nothing wrong with it at all

So you think none of our players have much value? Better question, is there a bigger fanboy of Eric Francis's views on here?

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Not a huge fan of Francis' schtick and sensationalism but I think the sentiment of the argument he's making isn't far off.

Generally speaking I do agree with the article...but this franchise is kind of at a crossroads on many fronts. Very little playoff success in the last 30 years means that either your hockey philosophy is not working or your not taking enough business risks. Teams like the king's or rangers have already had recent success, so where is the sense of urgency. Calgary clearly need a change and with that the organization needs to accept risk.

[Harry Lime]

I would rather have Tkachuk, Dube and the 12th. If we had Eichel, I don't know if Buffalo would send us that in return.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you think none of our players have much value? Better question, is there a bigger fanboy of Eric Francis's views on here?

Did Jiri say anything resembling that?


Players are valued differently by different teams. Aside from Lindholm, are best assets are all limited term.

We shouldn't really be giving up picks or our best young players, unless it makes our team both younger and better.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you think none of our players have much value? Better question, is there a bigger fanboy of Eric Francis's views on here?

I barely read his articles
Typically only when they are referred to on cp (which is more often than not you)

More notably not sure why you have to make it a personal issue

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you think none of our players have much value? Better question, is there a bigger fanboy of Eric Francis's views on here?

The article looks at their contract situations and why Buffalo would want a guy that will leave in one or two years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I barely read his articles
Typically only when they are referred to on cp (which is more often than not you)

More notably not sure why you have to make it a personal issue

I didn't make anything personal. Whenever he is brought up you are quick to jump to his defence. What about that is personal?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I would rather have Tkachuk, Dube and the 12th. If we had Eichel, I don't know if Buffalo would send us that in return.

I may agree on that, I may not. Which means it's likely in the ballpark. I wouldn't give up more I know that.

I think the only way that Buffalo would get a better offer is if they got a better fit. I mean a player with more term that Tkachuk with less risk to bail on them. I doubt they get better value.

[GreenLantern2814]

“Would the Flames really part ways with two of their most popular and coveted players?”

Hate Francis all you want, but he’s doing us a solid by including Dube in the “popular and coveted players” category.

[mrdonkey]

Francis is a knob, but he has a point here. The Flames don’t have the gunpowder to make an Eichel level trade.

At the end of the day, we’ll likely get what we always do. Placations and fire-dousing about how the prices were too high, the market wasn’t there, and the risks were too big. The answers have to be in the room. And then we’ll finish outside the playoffs picking in 15-20. Rinse and repeat, with promises of how next year will surely be the time for big change.

[Icon]

Feels almost like a guarantee we miss on Eichel so overpay on Reinhart instead.

[Erick Estrada]

It’s still typical low hanging fruit from Francis. The Flames are one of 15 or more possible destinations so the odds are high in his favor of being right.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Icon

Feels almost like a guarantee we miss on Eichel so overpay on Reinhart instead.

In that case, we may as well overpay for Eichel.

Tkachuk
Dube
Zary
1st

Three 1sts and a 2nd, does that seem unreasonable? I know Buffalo can get better, but unless the Rangers are offering LaFreniere or something, I’m sure the Sabres don’t want to send Eichel anywhere that could be perceived as “fun”.

Throw in Pelletier and we’re at four 1sts. The value is there, even if the sex appeal isn’t.