[Signing] Oilers re-sign RNH (8yrs, $5.125 mil AAV, full NMC)

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They have Klefbom and Nurse in their top-4, so they only need two top-4 defencemen, and yeah a couple more top-6 forwards and a #1 goalie. I can't imagine Stalock will actually be their back-up. I would expect to see Smith sign a 1-year deal, alongside a new goalie coming in to replace Koskinen.

The Oilers are not poorly positioned this summer, especially if they can unload Neal or Koskinen in a trade rather than a buyout (harder done than said) - but even with the buyouts, they're in a good spot.

The real challenge will be whether or not they Oiler their off-season like they typically do. They have the opportunity to take a step this summer, but we'll see where it goes.

If you keep Klefbom they only have $12 mil in cap space. They need two top 4 dmen, a starting goalie, and 5 more forwards (three of whom need to be good).

I don't think they will be better than last year.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

especially if they can unload Neal or Koskinen in a trade rather than a buyout

They'd need to send them along with a decent amount of assets, which they have none of. Basically their draft picks, which will be back into lottery territory in a couple years, if not next.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think Klefbom may be done, which was included in Stangs cap available. I may be mistaken though.

Their real issue is they won't have epic Mike Smith goaltending to bail them out, and I don't know who would be available to replace him.

Oh, I just saw that report now. Yikes. That's quite the recovery period.

Originally Posted by Infinit47

If you keep Klefbom they only have $12 mil in cap space. They need two top 4 dmen, a starting goalie, and 5 more forwards (three of whom need to be good).

I don't think they will be better than last year.

Nah, if Klefbom is healthy they have 16.945M in cap-space with him on the roster and 7 defencemen rostered, 10 forwards (incl. Neal), and 2 goalies (koskinen + stalock)

[powderjunkie]

RNH was 3rd on EDM F's TOI by a wide margin at 20:46, with Yamamoto next at 16:22.

Backlund's rank among F's TOI:
- Backlund/Monahan were nearly tied for 4th for the last 2 years (within 10 seconds of each other)
- '18-19 Backlund was 4th, ahead of Tkachuk by 0:20
- '17-18 he was 2nd
- '16-17 - tied with Monahan for 2nd

He's not overpaid.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

contract is somewhat front loaded so buyout might be an option down the line, although the latter year signing bonuses make it less effective

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun
RNH contract strucutre:
21-22: $5M salary
22-23: $5.25M salary
23-24: $6.25M salary
24-25: $6.25M salary
25-26: $4M salary plus $2M sb
26-27: $2.25M salary plus $2.5M sb
27-28: $2.5M salary plus $1.25M sb
28-29: $3.75M salary

I predicted this structure would be desirable for players (lower this year w/ 10% escrow, higher salary '22-25, and then lower/lockout protected the following years); I guess I should be an agent.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

TBL pays 3C Gourde $5.166M. NYI pays 3C Pageau $5M. Leafs were paying Foligno $5.5 prorated. Canes pay Staal $6M. Jets paid Stastny $6.5 (or if you prefer PLD $5M). Bruins paid Coyle $5.25M. Not a C but Vegas pays Tuch $4.5 as a third line winger.

STL paid Bozak $5M

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Ah yes, we all know you have to judge an 8 year contract on the buyout right when its signed!

Once again, I was commenting on someone who was already looking at a buyout.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

I don't think they were suggesting it would be bought out immediately after signing it. If it gets bought out, it will likely be the last one or two seasons. More likely, he gets traded in one of the final three years of the contract to a team that needs cap hit while saving money.

Sigh - I know.

How many team make trades to acquire cap hit? It’s pretty rare, and they don’t do it because they need the hit, it’s because they can absorb it and they charge a price for taking it.

[GioforPM]

I think it’s an overpay for an 8 year contract. In fact, I think it’s not far off what he could have gotten for shorter terms elsewhere. I really don’t see him getting $6M x 4 or 5 as a UFA. So $5.125x8 is a huge win for him.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think it’s an overpay for an 8 year contract. In fact, I think it’s not far off what he could have gotten for shorter terms elsewhere. I really don’t see him getting $6M x 4 or 5 as a UFA. So $5.125x8 is a huge win for him.

I think he is easily getting more than $6 from someone if he went to free agency. Its been highly speculated.

On a 6 year deal I think he gets around 6.5 - 7.5.

I hate the term but kick the can down and hope for the cap to rise i guess.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by stang

Except they have Alex Stalock already as backup for 785k.

Sitting at 16mil cap space after signing RNH and with Neal and Koski on the roster.

again...

woohoo

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh, I just saw that report now. Yikes. That's quite the recovery period.



Nah, if Klefbom is healthy they have 16.945M in cap-space with him on the roster and 7 defencemen rostered, 10 forwards (incl. Neal), and 2 goalies (koskinen + stalock)

well yes, but that includes:

Turris
McLeod
Bouchard
Broberg
Jones
Lagesson
Stalock

none of which are NHLers (or barely so)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think he is easily getting more than $6 from someone if he went to free agency. Its been highly speculated.

On a 6 year deal I think he gets around 6.5 - 7.5.

I hate the term but kick the can down and hope for the cap to rise i guess.

Yeah, no. No one outside Edmonton thinks he’s worth that.

Name a recent UFA signing at that amount that’s a RNH comparable.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, no. No one outside Edmonton thinks he’s worth that.

Name a recent UFA signing at that amount that’s a RNH comparable.

Ok.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think it’s an overpay for an 8 year contract. In fact, I think it’s not far off what he could have gotten for shorter terms elsewhere. I really don’t see him getting $6M x 4 or 5 as a UFA. So $5.125x8 is a huge win for him.

Really don't think Nuge could have gotten $6?

When I see guys like Anderson at 5.5, Gallagher at 6.5, Bjorkstrand at 5.4, Dadonov at 5, and Mantha at 5.7 it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that RNH could have gotten $6 in free agency.

[SuperMatt18]

I think he gets $6 x 6 on the open market pretty easily

He's a UFA center that's still only 28 and those guys are hard to come by.

The term is too long but this is a good AAV for the Oilers

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by stang

I know.

I was replying to him saying the 2 buyouts would cost 6.8m

I agree. I doubt they buy out koskinen either. Unless they have a huge move and need the space they probably only buy out Neal

They probably can make 1 big move because nuge took less for more term this summer without any buy outs. Oilers biggest issue is being short picks and a huge drop of in prospects after their top 3. They may choose to be Patient one more year but if they want to make a big splash then they either need to look at a big time ufa or a trade. They are short on tradeable asserts unless they move one of the big 3.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh, I just saw that report now. Yikes. That's quite the recovery period.



Nah, if Klefbom is healthy they have 16.945M in cap-space with him on the roster and 7 defencemen rostered, 10 forwards (incl. Neal), and 2 goalies (koskinen + stalock)

You are right, I misread. So $16.9mil for 2 top 4 D, 4 forwards and a starting goalie. It sounds like lots, but it's pretty tight if you want an impact player at any of those positions. They still need to replace Barrie and career year Mike Smith. If they pay fair value for those two spots you have to think that eats up $10-12 mil of their cap. Hard to imagine them replacing those performances for $5 mil again. So then the Oilers are hoping for 1 Dman to step into top 4 (possible), but they barely have enough money to fill out their forward ranks with league minimum guys.

Does this make them better than last year?

If they roll with Smith/Stalock as the goalie combo, buyout Koskinen and spend that money on another good winger they could miss the playoffs entirely. Big gamble.

Unless they get extremely lucky with a couple cheap and impactful signings I think they are treading water at best.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Really don't think Nuge could have gotten $6?

When I see guys like Anderson at 5.5, Gallagher at 6.5, Bjorkstrand at 5.4, Dadonov at 5, and Mantha at 5.7 it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that RNH could have gotten $6 in free agency.

Not for any kind of term, no. Especially since most of those contracts aren’t looking great anyway. Nor are they good comparables. Mantha’s contract takes him to age 28 only and came after a season where he approached 1 PPG. Gallagher’s came after a career year and even then was seen as an overpayment, especially for term.

RNH doesn’t excite anyone. No one was opening the wallet for him IMO.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think he gets $6 x 6 on the open market pretty easily

He's a UFA center that's still only 28 and those guys are hard to come by.

The term is too long but this is a good AAV for the Oilers

I wouldn’t have been upset if Treliving got Nuge at something like 7x6 in UFA.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

RNH was 3rd on EDM F's TOI by a wide margin at 20:46, with Yamamoto next at 16:22.

Backlund's rank among F's TOI:
- Backlund/Monahan were nearly tied for 4th for the last 2 years (within 10 seconds of each other)
- '18-19 Backlund was 4th, ahead of Tkachuk by 0:20
- '17-18 he was 2nd
- '16-17 - tied with Monahan for 2nd

He's not overpaid.



I predicted this structure would be desirable for players (lower this year w/ 10% escrow, higher salary '22-25, and then lower/lockout protected the following years); I guess I should be an agent.



STL paid Bozak $5M

People under estimate a player who can put up 40 to 50 points getting most 5 on 5 and on pk. Nuge had less 5 on 5 points then lucic had and about half his points on the pp. If the flames can establish a true top line with a top end first pp people will realize how good having a backlund is when he can excel in situations that your top guys don’t play

If the oilers traded nuge to the flames for backlund IMO backlund would be a better fit with their team. It’s not backlund fault our top guys are not elite. Put him behind elite players and he’s a very valuable piece to a cup contender

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I wouldn’t have been upset if Treliving got Nuge at something like 7x6 in UFA.

Gross. Would you take Backlund’s doppelgänger at 7.5x4?

RNH is such an unimpressive player IMO.