2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

So an article that says Burke was scouting all the players but didn’t see one at that point proves that Burke wasn’t involved in the draft? Because they picked the guy? Okaaaaayyyyyy.

Guess who also likely hadn’t seen Bennett?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

So either the current GM completely screwed up that very important draft, or the guy brought in to mentor the current GM completely screwed it up. Not great either way.

How was that draft screwed up? By picking the consensus first round pick or by not picking the guy the rest of the league passed on (because he played in the Flames “own backyard” of Moose Jaw).

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Really? I honestly do not get what is hard to comprehend?

Burke is the boss he has a team (scouts) he has assembled that is going to execute his vision for the team (players). The message was almost certainly “we need to get bigger and tougher” the scouts then prioritize a list that ensure this criteria is met. In the top 4 I am sure the Flames prioritized BPA to which there was a clear tier of 4 players at the top. We all knew there was a 95% chance the Flames would get Bennett, Draisaitl, Reinhart, or Ekblad (no way he was falling to 4th however). There was some discussion if the Flames even had Nick Ritchie that high on the list because he was a big power forward winger.

They take the first pick with a plan to take their top goalie in the 2nd round then focus on big, tough players. Burke doesn’t have to personally scout anyone to set a vision for what type of player he wants.

Except Treliving was the boss and in full control of all hockey decisions by that time. We know that because they have both told us that multiple times

So the 2014 draft, Bollig trade etc are all Treliving decisions. Not Burke, who was only acting GM for four months

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eklund is speculating that the Canucks will trade the 9th pick and a goalie prospect to the Sabres for Reinhart.

DiPietro?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

His main role in Phoenix was managing the minor league team and day to day hockey ops in Phoenix.

Not to mention preparing for Phoenix’ draft could be a fair bit different than Calgary.

He managed the amateur scouting staff in Arizona so would have been as prepared for the 2014 draft as much as any other year

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Would probably come down to if they want to make a hockey trade (Tkachuk) or a futures trade (3rd overall). But at 3rd overall they aren't likely to get a franchise or even 1st line player in this year's draft. A good player, but not a game changing piece.

Tkachuk probably could be sold to the fan base a little more easily too.

The Flames would have to extend Tkachuk to something less than his 9M QO.

Try selling Tkachuk as the prime piece in a trade for Eichel AND a cap savings of 1M? This isn't likely a cap dump for Buffalo.


What would Seth Jones be asking for his UFA contract. 8*8 ?? Columbus might want a Centre for Laine.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ristolainen has been tied to the Flames for 3 or 4 years now. Just feels like an inevitability.

I'd be interested in a deal that brought Risto in with Reinhart.

Having 3 RHD in Tanev, Andersson and Risto would be really really interesting. Then on the left side you have Hanifin, Mackey, maybe Gio, maybe Kylington.

Could work.

Same could have been said about Josh Anderson.

Where did Valimaki go?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How was that draft screwed up? By picking the consensus first round pick or by not picking the guy the rest of the league passed on (because he played in the Flames “own backyard” of Moose Jaw).

Neither? It was screwed up by wasting high picks on Hunter Smith and McDonald and trading for Bollig. And just generally not drafting for skill.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What would Seth Jones be asking for his UFA contract. 8*8 ?? Columbus might want a Centre for Laine.

Sign-and-trade is a possibility but if he's looking at UFA like he says, then I assume it's going to be closer to 10Mx7.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eklund is speculating that the Canucks will trade the 9th pick and a goalie prospect to the Sabres for Reinhart.

Griffin Reinhart

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And the likelihood of Calgary picking Point? IIRC Burke ran that draft. I agree, he should have traded Cammaleri

Low, but we needed all the bullets in the chamber possible.

It's also impossible to say whether another pick in the chamber might have changed some draft strategy. TBF, Demko, Nedellkjovic, and Aube-Kubel are the only NHL players between picks 34-54, so that pick seems destined to bust. But maybe the scouts liked some other goalies likely to be available in the 3rd rd or later like:

76 Elvis
78 Sorokin
109 Kahkonen
118 Shesterkin

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How was that draft screwed up? By picking the consensus first round pick or by not picking the guy the rest of the league passed on (because he played in the Flames “own backyard” of Moose Jaw).

0 NHL gp other than Bennett. Pretty disappointing with picks 34 54 64. And to be picking <7 times at that stage of a rebuild.

Smith 54 and Hickey 64 and no pick at 83 hurt when you consider:
55 Montour
56 Donato
58 Dvorak
67 Foegele
79 Point
90 Amadio
108 D Toews
112 Arvidsson
116 Heinen

Our 4th and 5th were long gone; it was silly to blow away the extra 3rd.

You gotta walk away from each draft with at least one guy outside the 1st round who brings some positive value (even if it's being just good enough to be traded away for a future pick - e.g. Max Reinhart).

Originally Posted by neo45

Except Treliving was the boss and in full control of all hockey decisions by that time. We know that because they have both told us that multiple times

So the 2014 draft, Bollig trade etc are all Treliving decisions. Not Burke, who was only acting GM for four months

I guess the real question is what is the role of POHO?

A simple thought would be that POHO is primarily strategic, GM is primarily operational, and they work together on tactics.

We've failed on all 3 fronts, but I believe the biggest blunders happened under Burke's watch.

[SuperMatt18]

Man the 9th overall pick for an unsigned Reinhart feels like a lot.

I like the player but I'm not sure I'm moving a top 10 pick for him without a contract. Even knowing it's a bit of a weaker draft.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Geographical advantage has not been a thing since the Habs racked up an obscene amount of SC rings because of it.

And that wasn't even about geography. It was about the old sponsorship system, in the days when the Habs owned or controlled most of the junior hockey teams in Quebec. As soon as those teams were opened up to the entry draft, Montreal's advantage went poof.

Now, Sam Pollock was a goddam genius, and kept the Habs' dynasty going for a decade after the sponsorship system was abolished. But that was because half the league consisted of expansion teams in desperate need of players, and he had a huge backlog of sponsored Québecois talent that he could trade for high draft picks. Without that opportunity, he would still have been a genius, but he would not have got his name engraved on the Stanley Cup nine times.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Man the 9th overall pick for an unsigned Reinhart feels like a lot.

I like the player but I'm not sure I'm moving a top 10 pick for him without a contract. Even knowing it's a bit of a weaker draft.

To some extent it depends on where your team’s at. Reinhart is a top 5-7 pick even in a redraft of 2014. So if you need 25 year old players, and not a guy that’s going to be in his prime in 4-5 years from now, maybe it’s fair. Is that Vancouver? They want some success right now in all likelihood. Guys to play in the Petterson Hughes Boeser Horvat Demko Hoglander window, with Schmidt and Myers as the old guys on the team. It might be the right move for them.

ETA: They don’t have a lot of RHS either, aside from Boeser and Virtanen. So they might want Reinhart as a RW with either Horvat or Petterson.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by neo45

He managed the amateur scouting staff in Arizona so would have been as prepared for the 2014 draft as much as any other year

It's my understanding that when a front-office person changes teams, he is not allowed to take any of the scouting reports from his old team to his new one. If every other GM had written reports and a written list, and Treliving had run the draft based on what he remembered seeing months before, it would have been a completely wasted draft.

[Monahammer]

If Reinhart can get that unsigned you have to think Monahan is worth much more than people around here are pitching.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

To some extent it depends on where your team’s at. Reinhart is a top 5-7 pick even in a redraft of 2014. So if you need 25 year old players, and not a guy that’s going to be in his prime in 4-5 years from now, maybe it’s fair. Is that Vancouver? They want some success right now in all likelihood. Guys to play in the Petterson Hughes Boeser Horvat Demko Hoglander window, with Schmidt and Myers as the old guys on the team. It might be the right move for them.

ETA: They don’t have a lot of RHS either, aside from Boeser and Virtanen. So they might want Reinhart as a RW with either Horvat or Petterson.

I don't see where they fit him in cap wise though.

You have $15M in cap space but need to re-sign Petterson & Hughes. Plus only have 3 d-men signed total.

Conservatively even if Pettersson gets $7M, and Hughes gets $6M (which both seem low) then you only have $2M to sign 2 other d-men and sign Reinhart.

I just don't see how you move the 9th overall pick to get a guy that needs a contract (probably $6M+ himself), when your cap structure is already out of wack.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't see where they fit him in cap wise though.

You have $15M in cap space but need to re-sign Petterson & Hughes. Plus only have 3 d-men signed total.

Conservatively even if Pettersson gets $7M, and Hughes gets $6M (which both seem low) then you only have $2M to sign 2 other d-men and sign Reinhart.

I just don't see how you move the 9th overall pick to get a guy that needs a contract (probably $6M+ himself), when your cap structure is already out of wack.

Yeah, they’d have to send salary back or dump it in some other way. Luongo is the gift that keeps on giving. They really aren’t overspenders in any other way. Myers makes a tad too much and they’ve got a couple of guys with one more year who maybe make a half million too much. And Holtby was a bad signing - they should have trusted in Demko and went with a cheap guy.

[Demetric]

Are we promoting from within or going external for Markstrom's backup? Who do people think we will end up using? Chances Rittich comes back>?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Are we promoting from within or going external for Markstrom's backup? Who do people think we will end up using? Chances Rittich comes back>?

My guess is the bring someone in. A reliable veteran.