[News] Eichel: Sabres wouldn't let me get surgery on herniated disk in neck

[browntrout]

I can't see Calgary being able to compete with other offers, I am sure alot of teams will have serious interest, I could easily see teams like Vancouver, Dallas, NY Islanders, willing to offer there best players to get this guy....it's going to turn into a bidding war, hopefully Calgary loses, as I think the cost to acquire will be prohibitive

[MrMike]

Vancouver only has Peterson or Hughes that would have to be included. I think Tkachuk beats whatever Dallas or the Islanders could offer if that is the avenue they are looking for. It all depends on if they want pure futures or players now. If it’s players now we could put together a nice package.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If that deal happened before the expansion draft, Buffalo will have to expose someone like Tage Thompson or Casey Mittlestadt. Losing a recent 1st rounder to expansion probably does not appeal to them.

Any trade that has a net increase in contracts for Buffalo and a 2021 first rounder will have to happen in the week after the expansion draft and prior to the entry draft. It's a pretty small window and I doubt Buffalo is going to let themselves get cornered by a deadline for possibly the most important transaction they will make in a generation.

I think any deal for Eichel is going to happen after the draft and include multiple firsts, likely 2022 and 2023 picks.

Eichel
Skinner (NMC)
Reinhart
Olofsson
Mittelstadt

Thompson - 14p in 38gp; 14mins a night. Now 23.
Anders Bjork? - career high 19p in 58 gp. Nearly 25.
Girgensons - UFA 2023


If you subtract Eichel, you only have 4 guys you really want/have to protect. If you can get 3 forwards better than Thompson/Bjork, you don't mind losing one of them. I suppose the bigger challenge would be taking back a D (though that should absolutely be a top priority):

Dahlin
Jokiharju
Risto (UFA 2022)

C Miller (UFA 2022)

They'd either have to include Risto, deal him separately, or simply expose him (SEA probably takes to flip at TDL).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Eichel
Skinner (NMC)
Reinhart
Olofsson
Mittelstadt

Thompson - 14p in 38gp; 14mins a night. Now 23.
Anders Bjork? - career high 19p in 58 gp. Nearly 25.
Girgensons - UFA 2023


If you subtract Eichel, you only have 4 guys you really want/have to protect. If you can get 3 forwards better than Thompson/Bjork, you don't mind losing one of them. I suppose the bigger challenge would be taking back a D (though that should absolutely be a top priority):

Dahlin
Jokiharju
Risto (UFA 2022)

C Miller (UFA 2022)

They'd either have to include Risto, deal him separately, or simply expose him (SEA probably takes to flip at TDL).

I don't follow the Sabers that closely, but I was reading that they are still quite high on Thompson and when Bjork was acquired, it was with the intention of protecting him. I suppose anything can happen if a trade changes that dynamic, but I don't see why Buffalo wouldn't just wait until after the expansion draft and not have to worry about it at all, at which point, why not wait until after the draft and force teams to put 2022 picks in play.

As a side note, I find it funny that apparently Skinner won't waive his NMC. The one player that doesn't want out is the worst contract in the league. That is just so Buffalo.

[Pointman]

Dunno, last time CP wanted to get a player so desperately it was Ollie Jokinen. Didn't work out all that well.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Kinda making my point, eh?

Your point being?

I gotta figure that right now Matthews would be an easy #1.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't follow the Sabers that closely, but I was reading that they are still quite high on Thompson and when Bjork was acquired, it was with the intention of protecting him. I suppose anything can happen if a trade changes that dynamic, but I don't see why Buffalo wouldn't just wait until after the expansion draft and not have to worry about it at all, at which point, why not wait until after the draft and force teams to put 2022 picks in play.

As a side note, I find it funny that apparently Skinner won't waive his NMC. The one player that doesn't want out is the worst contract in the league. That is just so Buffalo.

It’s crazy. It would make him look great and be completely no risk. Seattle ain’t taking him. Unless somehow it means he waives for all purposes (not just the draft) and they send him to the minors, but I’m confident that isn’t the case.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I think that’s close, that’s a trade I’d do all day. So make it Tkachuk Mangiapane Valimaki and this years first. What now?

I do feel that a Centre has to be involved. Flames would have the issue of TOO many centres at a high price.

Eichel, Lindholm, Monahan, thus making Backlund your 4th line C?

Someone out of those three are gonna have to traded so there's appropriate usage and spending for the centres on the roster. Backlund can be a thrid line C, but Monahan/Lindholm should not be.

With trading a C, that should allow the Flames to hold off from trading one of their quality wingers. Still need players that can actually play good along with the centres on the team.

[dissentowner]

Monahan, Tkachuk, Zary, 2021 1st for Eichel and Reinhardt.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Your point being?

I gotta figure that right now Matthews would be an easy #1.


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That if a player would be the #1C on the US Olympic team But for the existence of obvious franchise player and Rocket Richard winner Auston Matthews, that’s a player worth adding to your team at virtually any cost.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Monahan, Tkachuk, Zary, 2021 1st for Eichel and Reinhardt.

Start the car.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Start the car.

Any Eichel deal that has us keep Gaudreau, Lindholm and one of Zary/Pelletier is a home run.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Any Eichel deal that has us keep Gaudreau, Lindholm and one of Zary/Pelletier is a home run.

They won’t want Gaudreau given his UFA status, Lindholm is probably the only player Flames won’t trade and it’s unlikely we would offer up both Zary and Pelletier in any deal anyways.

I don’t see how this is a home run.

But to be fair, this is coming from a guy who thinks Tkachuk will rebound and doesn’t want to see Zary traded.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Monahan, Tkachuk, Zary, 2021 1st for Eichel and Reinhardt.

I think I had posted this one earlier too.

I'd be willing to top up with one of our 2 2022 2nd rounders as well.

This one actually feels pretty fair for both sides to me.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

They won’t want Gaudreau given his UFA status, Lindholm is probably the only player Flames won’t trade and it’s unlikely we would offer up both Zary and Pelletier in any deal anyways.

I don’t see how this is a home run.

But to be fair, this is coming from a guy who thinks Tkachuk will rebound and doesn’t want to see Zary traded.

Because we get Jack Eichel, 24 year old 0.94 career PPG centre, under contract for 5 more years.

We also get to play him with the most talented forward we’ve employed since 12, and we get to keep Lindholm as our 1B C at less than $5M.

Do you see Zary ever being a career .94 PPG centre in the NHL?

Further, do you see this organization trusting Zary to play centre at anything more than a 3rd line level at any point in the next 3 years?

I don’t, and that’s nothing against Zary. He’s a fine prospect and I have no issues with him.

He won’t be the #2C for Team USA behind Matthews in 9 months.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think I had posted this one earlier too.

I'd be willing to top up with one of our 2 2022 2nd rounders as well.

This one actually feels pretty fair for both sides to me.

I don’t see Monahan waiving to go to Buffalo.

I also think Buffalo would be better suited trading Reinhart and Eichel in separate deals.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t see Monahan waiving to go to Buffalo.

I also think Buffalo would be better suited trading Reinhart and Eichel in separate deals.

I think Monahan can be persuaded to waive. He seems team friendly to me, and it’s only a two year commitment. It’s close to home for him, too, as well as his girlfriend. Under 2H by car to Brampton.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Because we get Jack Eichel, 24 year old 0.94 career PPG centre, under contract for 5 more years.

We also get to play him with the most talented forward we’ve employed since 12, and we get to keep Lindholm as our 1B C at less than $5M.

Do you see Zary ever being a career .94 PPG centre in the NHL?

Further, do you see this organization trusting Zary to play centre at anything more than a 3rd line level at any point in the next 3 years?

I don’t, and that’s nothing against Zary. He’s a fine prospect and I have no issues with him.

He won’t be the #2C for Team USA behind Matthews in 9 months.

Well in all honesty it’s more to do with Tkachuk than Zary.

I know most won’t agree with me but I’d rather throw in someone like Hanifin than Tkachuk.

Tkachuk-Eichel-Gaudreau would be a hell of a top line as Johnny and Chucky have been developing some noticeable chemistry since being put together.

I know everyone, much like with Brodie, has flipped their opinion on Hanifin and in turn are down on Valimaki but as we’ve seen this year it’s much harder to acquire skill players who can score than it is to find top 4 defensive dmen.

Having a foundation of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Eichel and Lindholm would finally allow us to ice a legitimate top two lines. Sprinkle in Mangiapane/Dube and we are laughing.

We also wouldn’t have to expose any of our top dmen for expansion.

I fully expect the Hanifin supporters to rip me a new one but that’s just how I see it.

Hanifin is like Brodie, we love him one season then the next he struggles and we rip on him. He is following a similar trajectory.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I do feel that a Centre has to be involved. Flames would have the issue of TOO many centres at a high price.

Eichel, Lindholm, Monahan, thus making Backlund your 4th line C?

Someone out of those three are gonna have to traded so there's appropriate usage and spending for the centres on the roster. Backlund can be a thrid line C, but Monahan/Lindholm should not be.

With trading a C, that should allow the Flames to hold off from trading one of their quality wingers. Still need players that can actually play good along with the centres on the team.

I’d either move Lindholm back to the top line RW which would be Lethal, or trade Monahan in a separate deal for a top 6 winger, maybe one that had himself a down season as well.

And I’d say it has to be Tkachuk because of contract/dollars. Keeping Gaudreau around 8m and Eichel with 10m, Tkachuk at 9m is just too much.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Well in all honesty it’s more to do with Tkachuk than Zary.

I know most won’t agree with me but I’d rather throw in someone like Hanifin than Tkachuk.

Tkachuk-Eichel-Gaudreau would be a hell of a top line as Johnny and Chucky have been developing some noticeable chemistry since being put together.

I know everyone, much like with Brodie, has flipped their opinion on Hanifin and in turn are down on Valimaki but as we’ve seen this year it’s much harder to acquire skill players who can score than it is to find top 4 defensive dmen.

Having a foundation of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Eichel and Lindholm would finally allow us to ice a legitimate top two lines. Sprinkle in Mangiapane/Dube and we are laughing.

We also wouldn’t have to expose any of our top dmen for expansion.

I fully expect the Hanifin supporters to rip me a new one but that’s just how I see it.

Hanifin is like Brodie, we love him one season then the next he struggles and we rip on him. He is following a similar trajectory.

Well, there’s the small matter of what Buffalo would want. I think they want a high end forward plus a lot of other pieces, to make up for losing their high end forward.