[News] Eichel: Sabres wouldn't let me get surgery on herniated disk in neck

[Goriders]

Hate to be a Debbie downer. But there is no way Eichel is coming to Calgary.

He’s an American who has openly stated he’s tired of losing.

The Flames are a small market Canadian team that gave up a 2 on 0 breakaway when they were on the powerplay.

He’s not coming here.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hate to be a Debbie downer. But there is no way Eichel is coming to Calgary.

He’s an American who has openly stated he’s tired of losing.

The Flames are a small market Canadian team that gave up a 2 on 0 breakaway when they were on the powerplay.

He’s not coming here.

He has no say in the matter until after next season.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hate to be a Debbie downer. But there is no way Eichel is coming to Calgary.

He’s an American who has openly stated he’s tired of losing.

The Flames are a small market Canadian team that gave up a 2 on 0 breakaway when they were on the powerplay.

He’s not coming here.

Obviously acquiring a player who doesn't want to join your club is... less than ideal.. but what leverage does he have beyond that? His NMC kicks in for 2022-2023

If we make the best offer to Buffalo, we can get him. I think our "long shot" perspective comes from the number of teams and high quality offers they will get, not from the player preference.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by fleury

As for the Flames, unless it’s Monahan and a 1st, I’d be out. The Flames are in no position to give up too many futures at this point.

Then the Flames are easily out.

A first alone likely has more value. That's how far the current version of Monny has fallen. Now, if next year he can establish he is healthy and his shot is back, his value likely increases.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mull

Obviously acquiring a player who doesn't want to join your club is... less than ideal.. but what leverage does he have beyond that? His NMC kicks in for 2022-2023

If we make the best offer to Buffalo, we can get him. I think our "long shot" perspective comes from the number of teams and high quality offers they will get, not from the player preference.

He has no "leverage" in Buffalo, but everyone assumes he's getting traded. Simply because he may want out.

If he simply says out loud, "I don't want to play for Calgary", there is zero chance Calgary will empty the cupboards to obtain him.

Calgary unfortunately likely checks all the boxes of a team he doesn't want to play for. Not in the US, currently not a playoff team, and with a core that is currently playing quite poorly. Prospect rankings in the bottom third of the league. A team that should likely blow it up and rebuild.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Mull

Why wouldn't people want to offer a 1st for him? Isn't he a bonafied first line center on a long term decent contract? Or is the $10M not good value?

Obviously the other part of the package would need to be looked at too, but don't understand why some wouldn't want him if a first is included.

With the draft, you don't know if you will get a 1st line player, we know we get that with him?

I always think to these graphs. People think/assume their #1 will be a future start, but realistically, there is a non-insignificant chance it fades to nothing. With options like including draft position protection included in a trade, a number 1 should definitely be on the table, no?

https://dobberprospects.com/2020/05/...probabilities/




Bolded part below implies top picks are skewed to play more due to sunk cost vs actual talent of other pick positions

Interesting if that's an anomaly or the fact that the team that barely makes it/misses the playoffs is more likely to take a home run swing for next season.

Also wonder if this pick was traded more frequently at the deadline by a team pushing to get in and therefore it's the second pick of a team that already picked a couple of times...again making it more likely to be a home run swing.

[SportsJunky]

Hailey Salvian has an article at The Athletic about what it might take to land Eichel. https://theathletic.com/2579404/2021...e-sabres-star/

Unless nobody wants Eichel this summer and you can get him at a discount (which is not happening), there is going to have to be a significant piece heading to Buffalo.
When it comes to Calgary, I really don’t see a trade scenario where the Flames do not lose Matthew Tkachuk. There just isn’t another roster player with the same trade value.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hate to be a Debbie downer. But there is no way Eichel is coming to Calgary.

He’s an American who has openly stated he’s tired of losing.

The Flames are a small market Canadian team that gave up a 2 on 0 breakaway when they were on the powerplay.

He’s not coming here.

Oh man, do you think he caught that single play? Damn, there goes our chance.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Hailey Salvian has an article at The Athletic about what it might take to land Eichel. https://theathletic.com/2579404/2021...e-sabres-star/

I fully agree with this. The problem I see is if Buffalo would want to take on Tkachuk and his qualifying offer? They are headed for a huge rebuild and I doubt Tkachuk would want to sign long term with them. With the Pegulas having an enter all cap they are going to want cost controlled players . Surely rangers will offer kakko and LA has a huge mix of elc players that they could pick from. All of these players will have far more value than any prospect /elc players the flames have to offer. Basically if Buffalo doesn’t want Tkachuk then flames have no chance.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I fully agree with this. The problem I see is if Buffalo would want to take on Tkachuk and his qualifying offer? They are headed for a huge rebuild and I doubt Tkachuk would want to sign long term with them. With the Pegulas having an enter all cap they are going to want cost controlled players . Surely rangers will offer kakko and LA has a huge mix of elc players that they could pick from. All of these players will have far more value than any prospect /elc players the flames have to offer. Basically if Buffalo doesn’t want Tkachuk then flames have no chance.

This same level of detail will apply to every offer they get. It’s on Buffalo to take what they want. And on the Flames to put their best foot forward with no BS.

[Jason14h]

I can not think of a team Eichel would less want to come to, especially considering the assets that would be required to acquire him.

We basically become the least talented team in the league + Eichel.

Isn't he already playing on the US version of the Flames !

[Mull]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Interesting if that's an anomaly or the fact that the team that barely makes it/misses the playoffs is more likely to take a home run swing for next season.

Also wonder if this pick was traded more frequently at the deadline by a team pushing to get in and therefore it's the second pick of a team that already picked a couple of times...again making it more likely to be a home run swing.

Are you referring to the 15th pick anomaly? The author had no idea but your logic is interesting.

Although, in the grand scheme of things, it could also have no cause at all, simply be fluke bad luck for teams picking at that spot for internal reasons with no correlation with previous or future teams.

One could perhaps prove/disprove your second ideal fairly easily by correlating the number of times the pic was traded and therefore a 2nd pic, vs games played.

[Saqe]

I would guess Buffalo wants a center back for Eichel, either someone with similar upside playing in the league or a top prospect. They don't have anything at center after Eichel.



Buffalo is in such a bad spot right now, wow. Imagine actually having the most difficult pieces (1C, 1D) that you need to build your franchise around but still can't get it done.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

He has no say in the matter until after next season.

By the letter of his contract, Eichel has no say in the Sabres keeping or trading him either. And yet here we are.

Trading away major assets to get a superstar who doesn’t want to be here would be comically stupid. I don’t think even this organization is that short-sighted.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I would guess Buffalo wants a center back for Eichel, either someone with similar upside playing in the league or a top prospect. They don't have anything at center after Eichel.



Buffalo is in such a bad spot right now, wow. Imagine actually having the most difficult pieces (1C, 1D) that you need to build your franchise around but still can't get it done.

The hoodwinking Jeff Skinner slapped the Sabers with is really the stinger. Worst contract in the league, by a fair margin.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I can not think of a team Eichel would less want to come to, especially considering the assets that would be required to acquire him.

We basically become the least talented team in the league + Eichel.

Isn't he already playing on the US version of the Flames !

I would argue he plays on a team with better talent, but for some reason they just can't get that talent to perform. That's the funny thing about team sports. The team with the best talent does not always win. Many times a lesser team can take down goliath by playing together and with discipline. There's the problem for the Sabres. They never play together and with discipline. The Sabres are a collective of individuals who play for themselves. No wonder success never seems to follow.

There is no way that Eichel comes west, especially to Canada. With a herniated disk sitting in a plane seat for long periods is agony. Why subject yourself to that when the majority of teams can offer you way less time locked in a seat? Travel miles will matter, and for that Eichel will want no part of Calgary or anywhere else west of St. Louis. This is a guy who just said the only thing he's concerned about right now is Jack Eichel (an individual, not a team guy), so he'll do what is best for him and his health. Calgary isn't on his radar.

[jg13]

Why are so many posters acting like Eichel has a full NTC?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by jg13

Why are so many posters acting like Eichel has a full NTC?

Or that there has been a long history of star players continually demanding trades. As if it isn’t a rarity already.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

By the letter of his contract, Eichel has no say in the Sabres keeping or trading him either. And yet here we are.

Trading away major assets to get a superstar who doesn’t want to be here would be comically stupid. I don’t think even this organization is that short-sighted.

What are you talking about? Eichel did a media availability where his answers were so non-committal about the Sabres that it was the biggest story in the league. He said literally nothing about Calgary. Every anti-Calgary thing that has been mentioned in this thread is from posters.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hate to be a Debbie downer. But there is no way Eichel is coming to Calgary.

He’s an American who has openly stated he’s tired of losing.

The Flames are a small market Canadian team that gave up a 2 on 0 breakaway when they were on the powerplay.

He’s not coming here.

The 2 on 0 thing is funny. I sounds contrary, but I think there's as good a chance of a 2 on 0 on a PP as in even strength. Reason being that on a PP you (a) often have only one D and (b) everyone on the PP is moving forward and gathered at the far blue line waiting to enter, and thus more easily caught on a bad bounce. Plus there's just more open ice.