[News] Eichel: Sabres wouldn't let me get surgery on herniated disk in neck

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t know that Reinhart has ever had good success as a centre. His biggest PPG seasons have been on Eichel’s wing. Which is fine, we need a RHS RW, but I don’t think he’s the answer at centre.

He's played center since their coaching change this year and is probably playing the best hockey of his career.

Though I'm not overly high on his toolset.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Isn't anyone worried about the me me me quote machine?

Yikes.

Yeah there is a LOT of self pity going on for sure.

Not that some of it isn't warranted with what he has seen through the first 6 years there.

I would suggest there will be a lot of vetting before any team agrees to trade for him and the 50M still attached.

Between the salary, the comments, the injury (biggest IMO) and the assets needed to acquire, there are plenty of reasons to take pause before trading for him.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Isn't anyone worried about the me me me quote machine?

Yikes.

On one hand, sure. On the other hand, he has to put his personal health first

Remember when the Oilers management thought Souray was milking an injury but it turned out he had a post op infection that nearly saw him have his hand amputated?

In this case I won’t judge the player based on prioritizing his own well-being

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Isn't anyone worried about the me me me quote machine?

Yikes.

No.

I am not.

It's 2021.

People take care of themselves.

Not abusive relationships with their employer etc

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Tkachuk
Valimaki
Zary
Pelletier
1st
1st

There is no way I give up an unprotected 1st for next year or 2023. Can you imagine the PR nightmare of Flames finally winning a lottery pick to draft a potential generational guy just to have given it away?

[kukkudo]

Jack only makes sense if Johnny is staying.

Tkachuk, Valamaki, 2021 first for Eichel.

Extend Johnny 5x7.5

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Some of these deals including Tkachuk are surprisingly reasonable for a Flames board... very steep prices being paid here. That being said, I think you actually would have to pay it, given that you're likely competing with some very aggressive suitors, including - I anticipate - the new Rangers regime.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No.

I am not.

It's 2021.

People take care of themselves.

Not abusive relationships with their employer etc

I'm not suggesting he should roll over. And yes the Sabres are a mess. But a guy that goes to "I'm looking out for me" as a quote should at least be looked at as to where he sits in a team sport.

That's just logic given his contract and the haul it will take to get him.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He'll be moved this off season, we'll hear all about how the Flames have been kicking tires and Treliving is "in the mix" but he will end up going to LA or Seattle is my guess. Or even the Sharks somehow, as Wilson is always making the big deals happen.

Many think the Rangers, but I don't think Buffalo will want to keep him in the East, but I guess the Rangers are in a different division so that's a strong possibility as well.

Was thinking this too, but I see a three way trade here since Buffalo won’t want draft picks only from Seattle. So they’d have to get some players for picks first and then add those players with more picks to get Eichel from Buffalo.

[AC]

I took his quote in regards to his health.

I think from what he said, Eichel sees it that the Sabres may have risked his long term health.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Isn't anyone worried about the me me me quote machine?

Yikes.

I only laughed a little over the Babcockian third person.

[Robbob]

Sounds a bit like dejavu Buffalo priming to be in the Bedard draft sweepstakes in a couple years with two top tier players.

[Calgary4LIfe]

As someone who really wanted Reinhart in his draft year (over Bennett, I may add), I say: "I was wrong".


I don't want a thing to do with Reinhart.



People forget this now, but under Hartley, Monahan was trending to be a really strong 2-way centre. I thought if Calgary added Reinhart, and then had Backlund being the #3 centre, that this team would be suffocating to play against. I was wrong.


Monahan has been better defensively than Reinhart, but Monahan is also bigger and stronger. Reinhart is.. underwhelming at everything. He is not fast enough, not aggressive enough, and up until this season, hasn't even been a legit centre in the league.


Monahan has a down year, but unless his wrists are screwed, Monahan is WAY better than Reinhart. Reinhart does nothing to address any holes on the Flames - maybe a RHS RW. However, this team is either undersized in the top 6, slower than average, or not aggressive enough too (which is why I have always wanted to keep Bennett in the top 6). He will just give the Flames 'more of the same' in my opinion. Really don't want him. If he was a faster, or more dynamic, or more aggressive - sure. He has not become remotely close to what I thought he was going to be.



Eichel I would pay a lot for, but at the same time, he may be damaged goods now, both physically and mentally. I know he is frustrated in Buffalo, and even since he first got selected when the idiot GM openly 'complained' about losing out on McDavid, was probably not respected as much as he should have been.


However, I haven't once heard something about him taking responsibility for winning. I haven't once seen him act as a strong leader on that team. Have you? Maybe I missed it, but I have to question his character somewhat here.


Like I said, I would pay a lot to acquire him. However, there are questions around him too, and there are limits. Trading what amounts to be 6 first round picks is crazy. The NYR would have to greatly overpay for him, as Buffalo doesn't want to see him often in a season. If I am Buffalo, I am willing to take a bit less to ship him out west, and especially to a Canadian market where the don't have to hear from him much at all, all things considered.



I think LA gets him, with a wildcard in Nashville (who don't seem to be shy in making big moves). I would like him in Calgary, but the price is going to be very expensive. I would rather just rebuild at this point, as I don't think this team will be able to compete either. It would be another thing if the defence was really strong on this team, but it needs an overhaul too. I don't think the Flames would be 'Buffalo-bad' after the trade, but I don't think they would be a contender either. It isn't like Eichel has made Buffalo even slightly better than the sum of its' parts, has he? It is not without risk, especially considering his disc issue.

[Ashasx]

I don't see a scenario where the Flames make a trade for Eichel and remain competitive. Absolutely the Flames would have to make a massive offer for him and the organization simply doesn't have the assets to be competitive. The team isn't even competitive now.

If we want to be Buffalo West, by all means, make this trade. Eichel alone cannot carry a team, and that's all that would be left after a trade.

[SeanCharles]

Monahan
Hanifin
Pelletier
‘21 1st

Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Dube

Sign FA dman or trade for one in offseason to offset loss of Hanifin.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't see a scenario where the Flames make a trade for Eichel and remain competitive.

If they can keep Lindholm and Gaudreau, I disagree.

A few factors to consider

- If Eichel, who is also injured, formally demands a trade, it puts Buffalo in a position of weakness. They'll have to take the best offer, even if it's 70 cents on the dollar.

- Buffalo is desperate to make the playoffs and keep their fanbase engaged. Trading some of our better assets in their areas of need (wingers like Tkachuk and defensemen like Giordano/Hanifin/Tanev) might be the short term fix they're looking for. With Reinhart and Middlestadt looking good down the middle, they might be open to focusing on their wings and blueline. Their management also seems... poor.

- The Flames might not be immediate contenders by adding Eichel, but they'd have a foundation to build on. And Eichel may have another gear under a demanding, detail oriented, and proven coach like Darryl Sutter.

- The Flames under Treliving have consistently had better depth than Buffalo, and this year has largely been an outlier. I would assume we'd even keep Backlund around. So If you can build around Eichel, Lindholm, and Backlund as your 1-2-3 at center, the wings can be filled in externally. Say what you want about Tre, but we haven't missed the playoffs in consecutive years. Even after the disasterous 2018 season, we made a quick turnaround.

- Markstrom on paper would probably be a better goalie than anyone Buffalo has employed since Lehner. He's had a bad year, but probably is due for a good one.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Monahan
Hanifin
Pelletier
‘21 1st

Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Dube

Sign FA dman or trade for one in offseason to offset loss of Hanifin.

And Buffalo takes a Monny lead deal why?


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Isn't anyone worried about the me me me quote machine?

Yikes.

Strange Brew is also concerned with those quotes.

But perfect 24 year old franchise centers generally don't hit the trade market.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And Buffalo takes a Monny lead deal why?


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I think they would want a center back in return, he is signed for a couple more seasons and until this year has scored 22 or more goals every year in the league.

He is also only 26 years old.

I know everyone thinks he is terrible but outside of pandemic hockey Monahan has a history of producing 55+ points regularly.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I think they would want a center back in return, he is signed for a couple more seasons and until this year has scored 22 or more goals every year in the league.

Maybe not. Reinhart and Middlestadt both seem to be having breakout seasons down the middle with Eichel out and a coaching change. They may be looking at giving those two wingers, and generally shoring up their roster.