2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[genetic_phreek]

Money is king right now. I wonder what teams are willing to give (draft/prospects) for rentals that cost them next to nothing.

Is there a limit on retained salary? For instance if Derek Ryan is our most moveable UFA, are we able to retain his entire salary to increase the value of what is coming back? We're not going to be adding any players this deadline so why not maximize what we can get.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Monahan ++ to Buffalo
Gaudreau to philly (don’t think about the trade details too hard...)

Tkachuk - Eichel - Konecny
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Dube

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Monahan ++ to Buffalo
Gaudreau to philly (don’t think about the trade details too hard...)

Tkachuk - Eichel - Konecny
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Dube

This is my dream.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

If you look at the list I originally posted, the members of that pt/gm club pretty much had another solid dynamic point producer. Has Gaudreau?

So people point to Gaudreau and blame him ES production? Gaudreau should single handedly produce better than all those other first overall drafted players?

So you're mad at Gaudreau because over his career he was the producing at a first overall clip without help but after all those years doing it alone he dropped and it's his fault? Ok.

Respectfully I don't think you truly appreciate how good he's been nor how good he is - whenever he's been on best on best teams, he rises to the top (production) but I suppose you think he can't anymore. Ok.

100%

I’ve been saying this for a long time. I posted not that long that Gaudreau was 6th in the league in even strength points since he arrived to this league behind the likes of McDavid, Crosby, Kane, Kucherov and Marchand. He is part of the elite of the elite and was the 104th overall pick.

People just don’t seem to get it, especially Canadian hockey fans. Brian Burke says it all the time that Canadians are too tough on their stars players and that’s why we’re on everyone’s no trade lists. This isn’t basketball, you can’t do it by yourself. Hockey is very linemate dependent and the other guys have to pull their weight too or it’s too easy to shut down one guy.

I think if Johnny Gaudreau had the chance to play with a Pastrnak and Bergeron or a Malkin and Kessel or a Stamkos and Point or a Draisaitl instead, I thknk he’d probably be a perennial Art Ross candidate and place even higher then 6th. This is a special player and it’s sad we have to watch him play out his final year here with a league minimum plug in Brett Ritchie and a broken Sean Monahan. If he’s crushing it elsewhere later in his career, I won’t be the least bit surprised.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Monahan ++ to Buffalo
Gaudreau to philly (don’t think about the trade details too hard...)

Tkachuk - Eichel - Konecny
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Dube

Problem is that ++ to Buffalo likely means you lose one of Tkachuk or Lindholm, and then one, if not both, of Pelletier or Zary. Kills the depth needed to compete and makes us worse than the Buffalo Sabres.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by New Era

Problem is that ++ to Buffalo likely means you lose one of Tkachuk or Lindholm, and then one, if not both, of Pelletier or Zary. Kills the depth needed to compete and makes us worse than the Buffalo Sabres.

Shhhh you’re ruining it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Hey, you guys are the ones saying all of the Flames players are useless junk and not worth anything (with the exception of Sam Bennett of course). Gotta pay to get.

[Calgary4LIfe]

It is funny sometimes how easily down people get on certain players. One bad season or stretch, and suddenly that player sucks.



I am 100% positive that Gaudreau is going to have a few more seasons of point per game or higher in him. LOL at the excuse "Teams have figured him out" - like excuse me? Is that really a rationale? For years Gaudreau has been producing exceptionally well, but nobody got eyes on him in all of those years and tried to stop him until recently?



I don't know what is going on with Gaudreau (and Monahan, and Lindholm and Tkachuk, and basically everyone else). Something is obviously not right. It goes beyond 'this core isn't good enough'. It doesn't matter if this core is or isn't good enough to win - it is good enough to score and put up a lot more points than what we are seeing. Something I can't see - nor have I seen one single plausible explanation - is going on. Maybe it is just a symptom of such poor coaching for many years, maybe some injuries mixed in there, maybe a whole lot of confidence issues, maybe some conditioning issues.. maybe they have been replaced by Aliens. What they haven't been, however, is 'figured out'.


Gaudreau is an elite offensive player, and easily a top 3 or 4 player in terms of sheer skill this franchise has ever seen. Right up there with Makarov, Loob and Nilsson (in no particular order). A huge treat to watch. Something just isn't right, and it hasn't been right for a while. I have no idea what it is, but I know what it isn't - being 'figured out' or 'no effort'. I do think he will be traded, and we will watch him continue being a high-end skill player that is fun to watch elsewhere, and wish it had worked out here.


I really hate this season, as I see it as a danger that the Flames are going to take a huge step back in terms of skill, spin their wheels for a few more seasons, and then have to enter a new rebuild at the most inopportune time. I don't know why this season isn't working, but i would bet the core is going to get dismantled, the returns are going to be less than the sum of their parts.



I just hope that the right pieces are moved out, and the right pieces are moved in. I really do think that Gaudreau is part of what is right on this team in the long run, however.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I understand how good Gaudreau has been. But also how good he is now.
Which isn't very good and that's been the case for a while.
Check out Timbit's on his ES production.

It’s not like he’s forgotten how to play the game. Teams are just defending this line’s breakouts better and they don’t have the right pieces on that line to respond back. Monahan and Gaudreau for years have feasted on the rush, now they’ve figured out the game plan. The play always funnels to Gaudreau.

So pretty easy to stop if you think about it. Just drop your F2 and F3 back, keep a good gap on him and Monahan, make sure someone is parallel to Gaudreau so he can’t move east or west or fire a pass to his RW and because you have support, your D-man can now step up on him before he gains the offensive zone which will result in a turnover. Easy peasy and Flames have no answer to this. They never had an answer to it in the playoffs, or when the games are tighter checking and now all of this season.

In my opinion, this organization failed Gaudreau just like they failed Iggy, Fleury and likely Tkachuk in the future, not the other way around. This stupid organization has built forever on the wing and it’s gotten us loyal fans the exact same result for 30+ years. Such a joke.


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[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Eichel scares me, he's a great player but hasn't elevated those around him, he has 0 playoff experience and has been mired in losing his entire professional career.

Stats wise he looks great, but if we back up the brinks truck, I bet we turn into Buffalo North. I'd rather build through the draft and see the end of this flames iteration instead of gambling on a leftover piece of rib eye.

PaperBagger, unfortunately, overall from a total roster/prospect perspective, we are Buffalo North, perhaps even worse. But, I hear you on Eichel, as I have stated before, one issue is that in my opinion, he would not be any happier(disgruntled) playing in Calgary than where he is now.

[IamNotKenKing]

I ran it once:

PICK TEAM RECORD PTS PPG RW STREAK L10 TOP 2 #1 OVR

1 Calgary 16-21-3 35 0.875 14 Lost 4 2-8-0 15.30% 7.50%
up 5

2 New Jersey 13-17-6 32 0.889 10 Lost 3 4-4-2 13.30% 6.50%
up 5

3 Buffalo 8-23-6 22 0.595 5 Won 1 2-6-2 34.90% 18.50%
down 2

4 Anaheim 11-21-7 29 0.744 6 Lost 3 3-6-1 26.50% 13.50%
down 2

5 Seattle 22.80% 11.50%
down 2

6 Ottawa 13-22-4 30 0.769 9 Lost 1 4-3-3 19.10% 9.50%
down 2

7 Detroit 13-22-5 31 0.775 12 Won 1 4-5-1 17.20% 8.50%
down 2

8 Columbus 14-18-8 36 0.9 10 Lost 3 3-6-1 12.30% 6.00%


9 Los Angeles 14-17-6 34 0.919 12 Lost 3 3-7-0 9.30% 4.50%


10 Vancouver 16-18-3 35 0.946 11 Lost 3 6-3-1 7.30% 3.50%


11 Dallas 13-13-10 36 1 11 Lost 1 4-3-3 6.30% 3.00%


12St. Louis 16-16-6 38 1 11 Lost 7 2-7-1 5.20% 2.50%


13 Chicago 17-17-5 39 1 11 Lost 2 3-7-0 4.20% 2.00%


14San Jose 17-16-4 38 1.027 11 Won 4 6-3-1 3.20% 1.50%


15NY Rangers 17-15-5 39 1.054 14 Lost 1 6-3-1 2.10% 1.00%


16 Philadelphia 18-14-5 41 1.108 12 Won 1 4-4-2 1.10% 0.50%

This also shows how bad we've been the last 10 games 2-8. Good Christ.

[sureLoss]

Insider trading:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...ilable~2175238

Summary:
Hall trade talks with contenders have intensified
Blues still in contention for a playoff spot but open to selling UFAs like Hoffman and Bozak

Flames likely to be quiet at the trade deadline
Treliving is open to anything but the deals he wants to do typically wait until the offseason
Flames are taking calls and received interest on Rittich
Been more quiet on Ryan and lower priced pending UFAs

Ducks listening on Manson
LeBrun thinks asking price is a top prospect and 1st round pick
Jets and Carolina have shown interested

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

PaperBagger, unfortunately, overall from a total roster/prospect perspective, we are Buffalo North, perhaps even worse. But, I hear you on Eichel, as I have stated before, one issue is that in my opinion, he would not be any happier(disgruntled) playing in Calgary than where he is now.

I dont believe we are Buffalo bad. This team isn't good at all, but I don't see them as "tying modern day records" bad. Lots of games the advanced stats in Bingos articles favour the flames. The flames also haven't been caved in nearly as often as Buffalo. We still fail the eye test though. Its a poorly constructed team, there is no identity (i thought Tkachuk may turn us into the heel like Boston).

I'll agree with you though that we are a mouse fart from Buffalo and a moose fart from Colorado

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

100%

I’ve been saying this for a long time. I posted not that long that Gaudreau was 6th in the league in even strength points since he arrived to this league behind the likes of McDavid, Crosby, Kane, Kucherov and Marchand. He is part of the elite of the elite and was the 104th overall pick.

People just don’t seem to get it, especially Canadian hockey fans. Brian Burke says it all the time that Canadians are too tough on their stars players and that’s why we’re on everyone’s no trade lists. This isn’t basketball, you can’t do it by yourself. Hockey is very linemate dependent and the other guys have to pull their weight too or it’s too easy to shut down one guy.

I think if Johnny Gaudreau had the chance to play with a Pastrnak and Bergeron or a Malkin and Kessel or a Stamkos and Point or a Draisaitl instead, I thknk he’d probably be a perennial Art Ross candidate and place even higher then 6th. This is a special player and it’s sad we have to watch him play out his final year here with a league minimum plug in Brett Ritchie and a broken Sean Monahan. If he’s crushing it elsewhere later in his career, I won’t be the least bit surprised.


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Was.

Was elite.

He has 74 ES pts in his last 141 games. 111 in total. Alex DeBrincat and Victor Hedman have more. Jake Guentzel has 1 less.

No question those are good totals. They are not elite...at all.

His defensive acumen has always been average at best.

Now you have to figure in the whole contract situation and unless he signs an extension he HAS to be dealt. Think he would extend at 6.5 per? Cause thats all he is worth at this point.

Meaning no one in Canada is being "too tough" on him, but he has written his own lack of future here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It is funny sometimes how easily down people get on certain players. One bad season or stretch, and suddenly that player sucks.



I am 100% positive that Gaudreau is going to have a few more seasons of point per game or higher in him. LOL at the excuse "Teams have figured him out" - like excuse me? Is that really a rationale? For years Gaudreau has been producing exceptionally well, but nobody got eyes on him in all of those years and tried to stop him until recently?

.

Not recently. He's been bad for a while now.
And yes teams figure players out all the time. Sports is about adjustments and re-adjustments.

That coupled with him becoming far more tentative and more of a perimeter player and you have what you have now.

An offense only guy who doesn't produce 5 on 5.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The "since arrived" stats are meaningless.
What has he done for the last 2 seasons. That's the best predictor of what he's going to do in the future.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Insider trading:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...ilable~2175238

Summary:
Hall trade talks with contenders have intensified
Blues still in contention for a playoff spot but open to selling UFAs like Hoffman and Bozak

Flames likely to be quiet at the trade deadline
Treliving is open to anything but the deals he wants to do typically wait until the offseason
Flames are taking calls and received interest on Rittich
Been more quiet on Ryan and lower priced pending UFAs

Ducks listening on Manson
LeBrun thinks asking price is a top prospect and 1st round pick
Jets and Carolina have shown interested

I think at minimum he has to move Rittich, Ryan and Bennett. I think he will.

Nothing big though. Makes sense.

[GS Skier]

First off anyone seen the real Milan Lucic around town lately? I don't know who the guy is wearing his jersey but that guy is skating way better than the Lucic in Edmonton a few years ago. He's also playing a really good 200 foot game and chipping in. Who is this guy?

A couple weeks ago I said Gaudreau was struggling to play Sutter hockey. Last 4-5 games he has played a better Sutter defensive game and seems to have stepped it up a bit.

Monahan has to have something going on and on the way home from work heard Wills note that his face offs have also fallen off and he worked hard over the years to finally become the best on the team. That's telling I think. Can Gaudreau really be Gaudreau if Monahan shoots like he did last night?

IF Monahan IS playing with a hand or elbow or something can he even BE traded? Disclosure could be an issue.

IF Guadreau is traded my only concern is he is the most dynamic, fun to watch player we've had in decades when he's going and maybe its better to keep the bird in hand. Trade the guy and and a lot of fans will be shocked at how dull Sutter hockey can be, even if winning is fun.

I do not buy Eric Francis' continued take that we will get table scraps for the guy. I think 4-5 teams out east are drooling over the entertainment value and ticket sales alone. Just saying and no, still don't fall in love with players so if he's traded he's traded.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I dont believe we are Buffalo bad. This team isn't good at all, but I don't see them as "tying modern day records" bad. Lots of games the advanced stats in Bingos articles favour the flames. The flames also haven't been caved in nearly as often as Buffalo. We still fail the eye test though. Its a poorly constructed team, there is no identity (i thought Tkachuk may turn us into the heel like Boston).

I'll agree with you though that we are a mouse fart from Buffalo and a moose fart from Colorado

I understand your sentiments indeed. However, in my humble fan based opinion, if we swapped divisions with Buffalo, I am not so sure the Flames would fare any better in both points and stats. We are lucky to be in arguably the worst division in the league.

From a desirability, team construction, roster and prospects realm in addition to the results, the Flames are bottom 5-6 overall. So, let’s say for sake of argument Buffalo is 4th worst, we would be 5th.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

First off anyone seen the real Milan Lucic around town lately? I don't know who the guy is wearing his jersey but that guy is skating way better than the Lucic in Edmonton a few years ago. He's also playing a really good 200 foot game and chipping in. Who is this guy?

A couple weeks ago I said Gaudreau was struggling to play Sutter hockey. Last 4-5 games he has played a better Sutter defensive game and seems to have stepped it up a bit.

Monahan has to have something going on and on the way home from work heard Wills note that his face offs have also fallen off and he worked hard over the years to finally become the best on the team. That's telling I think. Can Gaudreau really be Gaudreau if Monahan shoots like he did last night?

IF Monahan IS playing with a hand or elbow or something can he even BE traded? Disclosure could be an issue.

IF Guadreau is traded my only concern is he is the most dynamic, fun to watch player we've had in decades when he's going and maybe its better to keep the bird in hand. Trade the guy and and a lot of fans will be shocked at how dull Sutter hockey can be, even if winning is fun.

I do not buy Eric Francis' continued take that we will get table scraps for the guy. I think 4-5 teams out east are drooling over the entertainment value and ticket sales alone. Just saying and no, still don't fall in love with players so if he's traded he's traded.

The only people that say Sutter teams are boring are people that never watched any.

His first stint here gave us nail biters almost every game, aggressive puck pursuit hockey, and there was tons of character - Donovan and Nieminen running goalies at 40 kph and the ensuing chaos was awesome.

If they give me a modern version of that I’d be happy.

It’s going to require a lot of changes though. The sooner Tre gets started the better.