Treliving on the Fan

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What is your definition of hockey background? Playing or a background in management. Because on the background in management, Feaster definitely had more years in professional hockey management than Brad. Feaster did not play hockey though.

Feaster was a music major turned 2 year entertainment lawyer who stumbled into hockey by having Hershey entertainment as a client and he ended up as assistant to its president. Keep in mind hockey is a tiny part of that business. He then, after one year in that position, walked into a job as a minor league GM with no playing, scouting, coaching, or hockey management background.

[mennoknight]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For your reading pleasure.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...hlight=Hamonic

Loving all the people begging Jankowski not to be involved before the return was announced. Kee-rist.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Feaster was a music major turned 2 year entertainment lawyer who stumbled into hockey by having Hershey entertainment as a client and he ended up as assistant to its president. Keep in mind hockey is a tiny part of that business. He then, after one year in that position, walked into a job as a minor league GM with no playing, scouting, coaching, or hockey management background.

I was just wondering what emphasis you placed on playing hockey. Of course by the time Feaster became GM in Tampa he had 13 years of hockey management experience. I know the greatest GM in hockey history never played at any serious level and I believe quit playing at 14, so not sure playing hockey matters.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mennoknight

Loving all the people begging Jankowski not to be involved before the return was announced. Kee-rist.

It's always interesting to look back. I think a lot of folks were supportive at the time of the team trying to open their contention window, which most of us now believe was a big mistake.

Here were my comments:
"Don't really like giving up the first but this signals that the window is opening...so filling that rw spot remains even more important. How much cap space left?"

Funny in a depressing way that the RW spot remains an issue.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I was just wondering what emphasis you placed on playing hockey. Of course by the time Feaster became GM in Tampa he had 13 years of hockey management experience. I know the greatest GM in hockey history never played at any serious level and I believe quit playing at 14, so not sure playing hockey matters.

Playing doesn’t matter. But Feaster had no experience in hockey whatsoever when he lucked into a GM job in the AHL.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Feaster was a music major turned 2 year entertainment lawyer who stumbled into hockey by having Hershey entertainment as a client and he ended up as assistant to its president. Keep in mind hockey is a tiny part of that business. He then, after one year in that position, walked into a job as a minor league GM with no playing, scouting, coaching, or hockey management background.

And has done no worse than Treliving.

I'll see myself out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by chedder

And has done no worse than Treliving.

I'll see myself out.

Well, Treliving didn’t offer to give away draft picks for a player he would have to waive under the CBA. Or trade down from from 15 to 21 to take a guy ranked in the 40s. But OK.

[Moneyhands23]

I thought Sutter after the game was way more interesting

[Jacks]

Well, Treliving didn’t offer to give away draft picks for a player he would have to waive under the CBA. Or trade down from from 15 to 21 to take a guy ranked in the 40s. But OK.

Is that the bar we are trying not to trip over now?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Is that the bar we are trying not to trip over now?

The bar in question was “is Treliving better than Feaster”, so yes.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The bar in question was “is Treliving better than Feaster”, so yes.

Well, Feaster was tasked with blowing it up and left Tre a playoff team with some core pieces still here to this day, rid of the country club atmosphere, and tons of cap space

Tre took that and worked his magic / process, and here we are

So ... is this really better?

(Never mind how we got here)

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well, Feaster was tasked with blowing it up and left Tre a playoff team with some core pieces still here to this day, rid of the country club atmosphere, and tons of cap space

Tre took that and worked his magic / process, and here we are

So ... is this really better?

(Never mind how we got here)

This Flames team will have the worst winning percentage of any Flames team in the cap era. There is an outside chance that it will be the worst Flames team of all time, so Brad will have accomplished that.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I think he’s right around the corner from this as well. And I doubt the Flames let him out of their hands easily. He’s 4 months younger than Fox.

Lol he was on waiver

Kylington is done as a Flames as soon as somebody wants him

They may not even resign him this summer

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The bar in question was “is Treliving better than Feaster”, so yes.

Perception

Reality is no. Feaster somehow has better teams

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Looking over your posts, you nailed it. Your concerns were warranted and it played out like you feared. And you got crapped on for saying it at the time.

Actually the more things change the more things stay the same. The same people are expressing doubt over the team and the same people are shaming them for it.

Pretty much. A lot of the glass half full fans badly need to believe every move their favorite team makes is a good one. I have always called it as I see it and it doesn't always make for a popular take because some fans don't want to hear that their team may have made a mistake. Good takes at CP don't get nearly as rewarded as positive takes and that's fine as fans should be able to be as glass full or glass empty as they want.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Broken clock and such

Let's be honest here. I nail a lot in retrospect and there's people here that know that and hate that I'm right a lot. You can go back over a decade as I was the one saying Darryl messed up not giving Gio as shot when he went to Russia. Hated that Ference/Kobasew trade for Stuart when announced as that was a turning point to me where all the 2004 goodwill went out the door. I despised the Phaneuf trade the moment it was announced as I made a thread that got locked about how bad it was. Wanted Iginla traded before the organization squandered his value. I've always had a grasp of when a coach or GM wasn't up to the task as I was one of the first to start picking out Darryl the GM wasn't doing a good job. Didn't like the Hartley hire when announced. Hated the Gulutzan hiring when announced. Wanted the core changes a few years ago. Started losing faith in Treliving before it became popular thing around here. Hated the bringing Ward back. I get that it's easier to have a glass half full take when you are a sports fan as few organizations win consistently so you will be right more than wrong based on the fact most organizations go through periods of failure. That said when you cheer for organizations that are consistently bad/mediocre you see the trends and can easily identify when history is being repeated.

I'm not looking for a pat on the back as I wasn't alone on most of these and to me a lot of this was pretty obvious to fans that have observed the league for a long time. I've been saying a while that I believe NHL GM's are not very good at their jobs. The fact that guys like Treliving keep doing what they are doing 7 years in just goes to show how mediocre management is accepted in the NHL.

[CliffFletcher]

Looking back, I was enthusiastic about the Hamonic trade. I did express concern about Hamonic’s MCL surgeries, and how they might affect his play going forward - and was called a Debbie Downer.

As EE says, you won’t win any popularity contests on a forum like this by being right. I don’t recall most of the people calling for Treliving’s head now being sympathetic to Guadreau and Monahan trade proposals 18 months ago. I got absolutely roasted for a couple Gaudreau proposals that look pretty good in hindsight.

Basically, few fans want to hear negative appraisals of the team or players while the team is having success. And once the team is doing bad, fans are angry that nothing was done sooner.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well, Feaster was tasked with blowing it up and left Tre a playoff team with some core pieces still here to this day, rid of the country club atmosphere, and tons of cap space

Tre took that and worked his magic / process, and here we are

So ... is this really better?

(Never mind how we got here)

Feaster’s teams never made the POs. And he was incompetent. As in “didn’t know the rules despite his law degree” incompetent.

The “core pieces” Feaster drafted and left are the two guys people complain the most about. The ones most responsible for the country club atmosphere. His other draft picks and trade acquisitions? Laughable. Literally, in the case of Janko. Other teams laughed at that pick.

At least Treliving brought in the guys that people still like - Tanev, Ryan, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Lindholm, Lucic, Dube.

[Strange Brew]

Flames would be better off if Treliving hadn’t inherited players like Gaudreau, Monahan, Gio, Backlund, Brodie, Ferland etc?

I can’t buy that. He wasn’t exactly saddled with those guys.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pretty much. A lot of the glass half full fans badly need to believe every move their favorite team makes is a good one. I have always called it as I see it and it doesn't always make for a popular take because some fans don't want to hear that their team may have made a mistake. Good takes at CP don't get nearly as rewarded as positive takes and that's fine as fans should be able to be as glass full or glass empty as they want.



Let's be honest here. I nail a lot in retrospect and there's people here that know that and hate that I'm right a lot. You can go back over a decade as I was the one saying Darryl messed up not giving Gio as shot when he went to Russia. Hated that Ference/Kobasew trade for Stuart when announced as that was a turning point to me where all the 2004 goodwill went out the door. I despised the Phaneuf trade the moment it was announced as I made a thread that got locked about how bad it was. Wanted Iginla traded before the organization squandered his value. I've always had a grasp of when a coach or GM wasn't up to the task as I was one of the first to start picking out Darryl the GM wasn't doing a good job. Didn't like the Hartley hire when announced. Hated the Gulutzan hiring when announced. Wanted the core changes a few years ago. Started losing faith in Treliving before it became popular thing around here. Hated the bringing Ward back. I get that it's easier to have a glass half full take when you are a sports fan as few organizations win consistently so you will be right more than wrong based on the fact most organizations go through periods of failure. That said when you cheer for organizations that are consistently bad/mediocre you see the trends and can easily identify when history is being repeated.

I'm not looking for a pat on the back as I wasn't alone on most of these and to me a lot of this was pretty obvious to fans that have observed the league for a long time. I've been saying a while that I believe NHL GM's are not very good at their jobs. The fact that guys like Treliving keep doing what they are doing 7 years in just goes to show how mediocre management is accepted in the NHL.

Care to share your stock picks?

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Feaster’s teams never made the POs. And he was incompetent. As in “didn’t know the rules despite his law degree” incompetent.

The “core pieces” Feaster drafted and left are the two guys people complain the most about. The ones most responsible for the country club atmosphere. His other draft picks and trade acquisitions? Laughable. Literally, in the case of Janko. Other teams laughed at that pick.

At least Treliving brought in the guys that people still like - Tanev, Ryan, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Lindholm, Lucic, Dube.

The rules were open to interpretation. This is why they changed it right after. There was nothing to it other than media trying to stir the pot for stories. Teams in the NHL don't get severely punished for NHL's incompetence. Just look at the all the cap circumventions that we've seen.