Brad Treliving needs to go

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by zamler

This organization excels at waiting too long.

This was certainly true for Iggie and Kipper. Zero value in return in the end for either. In hindsight we stuck with this core too long. But who would have known.

No more waiting too long. Johnny, Mony and Gio still have value and remaining contract term at reasonable cost. All are useful complementary pieces for any team who have a chance. You could even retain a bit to sweeten the pot.

Will BT get super serious with dismantling the core in next 10 days when teams overpay chasing the Cup.

He has said it several times. This is (was) their last chance.

Your move BT...what are you going to do?

Waiting for the NTC to kick in July 1 for Johnny is not an answer.
Leaving Gio unprotected at expansion and losing him, not the answer.
Leaving Rittich unprotected at expansion and losing him, not the answer.
Leaving Bennett unprotected at expansion and losing him, not the answer.
Ryan for a pick is a no brainer.
Stone, Leivo and Nordstrom for a late pick is also a no brainer (wishful thinking).
Mony can go too but his nagging injury might be an issue for this trade deadline.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Honest question, would anyone change their mind if Brad made a couple shrewd moves next week? Obviously we wouldn't know for sure but seemingly shrewd moves. Like "deadline winners" type moves.

Could end up being a silver lining in a season where competitors will waste assets only to lose in the playoffs.

Absolutely. Every day is a new day and I will always take new information. As long as he is the GM you have to assess the total picture.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol things are bad enough you don't need to make stuff up...Markstrom carried the team to the playoffs on his back. Check his record vs. Demko and won the play in round and the first round standing on his head. Was 4th in Vezina voting. Those are facts.

Demko went in because Markstrom got hurt (after facing 40+ shots a game for 3 weeks straight). He has had a tough couple months no need to re-write history.

I rewrote nothing pal

For whatever reason, they decided to move on from him. I would too.
There is a difference between a vezina level goalie and the guy that got some votes one year. Is Gio a Norris level dman?

Markstrom has shown flashes of brilliance but he is also not durable and inconsistent. It was a unnecessary gamble considering we desperately need help in other areas

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Honest question, would anyone change their mind if Brad made a couple shrewd moves next week? Obviously we wouldn't know for sure but seemingly shrewd moves. Like "deadline winners" type moves.

Could end up being a silver lining in a season where competitors will waste assets only to lose in the playoffs.

This is what I’m hoping to see.

Treliving’s past shows some strong deadline selling moves (Glencross, Hudler, Russell). I think he needs to deliver in a similar fashion this year.

I’m not on the side of firing Treliving today, but a poor TDL would push me to that side.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is what I’m hoping to see.

Treliving’s past shows some strong deadline selling moves (Glencross, Hudler, Russell). I think he needs to deliver in a similar fashion this year.

I’m not on the side of firing Treliving today, but a poor TDL would push me to that side.

This is where I am at. If the Flames bleed picks at the TD, I will be all for a clean sweep in management.

[Strange Brew]

Ok can we stop calling Markstrom a Vezina calibre goalie? In his best season, he was a very distant fourth named in 4% of ballots.

Has he ever exceeded 1% of ballots in other seasons?

Gaudreau is more of a Hart calibre skater. At least he was in the conversation one season. Hell Talbot had a much better “Vezina” calibre season.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is where I am at. If the Flames bleed picks at the TD, I will be all for a clean sweep in management.

And the bar creeps lower and lower.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I rewrote nothing pal

For whatever reason, they decided to move on from him. I would too.
There is a difference between a vezina level goalie and the guy that got some votes one year. Is Gio a Norris level dman?

Markstrom has shown flashes of brilliance but he is also not durable and inconsistent. It was a unnecessary gamble considering we desperately need help in other areas

Vancouver wanted him back but wouldn’t give him a ntc to ensure he would be exempt from the expansion draft since they have Demko to protect

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And the bar creeps lower and lower.

What do you mean?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I rewrote nothing pal

For whatever reason, they decided to move on from him. I would too.
There is a difference between a vezina level goalie and the guy that got some votes one year. Is Gio a Norris level dman?

Markstrom has shown flashes of brilliance but he is also not durable and inconsistent. It was a unnecessary gamble considering we desperately need help in other areas

You said he lost his starting job in the playoffs and wasn't Vezina caliber last year. Both are false. /

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Vancouver wanted him back but wouldn’t give him a ntc to ensure he would be exempt from the expansion draft since they have Demko to protect

Sure same way we wanted Brodie back

Not wanting enough

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sure same way we wanted Brodie back

Not wanting enough

No not the same
If not for the expansion part he would have been back there
Brodie and The Flames were never that close.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

This was certainly true for Iggie and Kipper. Zero value in return in the end for either. In hindsight we stuck with this core too long. But who would have known.

No more waiting too long. Johnny, Mony and Gio still have value and remaining contract term at reasonable cost. All are useful complementary pieces for any team who have a chance. You could even retain a bit to sweeten the pot.

Will BT get super serious with dismantling the core in next 10 days when teams overpay chasing the Cup.

He has said it several times. This is (was) their last chance.

Your move BT...what are you going to do?

Waiting for the NTC to kick in July 1 for Johnny is not an answer.
Leaving Gio unprotected at expansion and losing him, not the answer.
Leaving Rittich unprotected at expansion and losing him, not the answer.
Leaving Bennett unprotected at expansion and losing him, not the answer.
Ryan for a pick is a no brainer.
Stone, Leivo and Nordstrom for a late pick is also a no brainer (wishful thinking).
Mony can go too but his nagging injury might be an issue for this trade deadline.

Most contending teams don't have the cap space to add expensive players for futures ... that really limits your field.

The strongest possibilities are teams with failed seasons flipping players ... Philly or Jersey etc.

But honestly I think anyone expecting core moves by the deadline are going to be really disappointed.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Vancouver wanted him back but wouldn’t give him a ntc to ensure he would be exempt from the expansion draft since they have Demko to protect

Yeah, Vancouver offered him a contract rumored to be at 5 without the NTC and Edmonton offered him 7x5. Those are the ones we know.

A lot of revisionist history here.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You said he lost his starting job in the playoffs and wasn't Vezina caliber last year. Both are false. /

Fact is demko took over and played better in the Vegas series. That gave them extra reason to move on from Markstrom

He got some votes, not even close to winning the vezina. That doesn’t make him vezina level

[Toonage]

TBF Demko took over when Markstrom got hurt and while yes he did look very good, so did Markstrom prior to the injury.

Speaking of, Markstrom looked great here prior to his injury too. I expect him to rebound next year and hopefully not throw himself at an oncoming player

[Bingo]

I think either extreme ...

a) being so pro Treliving that gloss over his mistakes
b) being so anti Treliving that you try and find a way to talk down things that were good calls

are equally foolish.

Markstrom was the Canucks MVP last season according to many reviews/sources, he didn't lose his job in the playoffs, he was a solid UFA acquisition for a team that had middling goaltending for years.

I just think he's hurt.

His schedule to start the season is too similar to his workload in Vancouver over the last three years to scream burn out.

People that criticize coaching choices, goaltenders before Markstrom, or trading picks all have ammunition without adding good moves to the bad pile.

[dino7c]

Markstrom got them there for sure. Compare his numbers last season to Demko with the same team in front of them.

Guy said something false and is now moving the goal posts. He didn't lose his job in the playoffs full stop. Kucherov lost his job in Tampa I guess.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What do you mean?

If the Flames bleed picks at this deadline I would question whether the management team have full command of their mental faculties. Maybe if it was some kind of “hockey deal” I suppose.

My point is I need a lot more than not being buyers to have them inspire some confidence.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Most contending teams don't have the cap space to add expensive players for futures ... that really limits your field.

The strongest possibilities are teams with failed seasons flipping players ... Philly or Jersey etc.

But honestly I think anyone expecting core moves by the deadline are going to be really disappointed.

We will have plenty of cap space if we are dismantling the core to take on a bit retained especially if only for 21-22 season in both Gios and Johnnys case.

Sounds like I will be quite disappointed.